Printing main mix to stereo track in Cubase 11 Pro

Hi everyone,

i could need some help with setting up Cubase Pro 11 to print/record the main stereo out to an audio track. I know this has been discussed here before, and i figured it out some time ago, but i can’t get it to work right now.
In another thread it was suggested to use a group channel (route all tracks to it), then use this group as input for a mixdown/print audio track. So far so good, but in my session it won’t let me include the effect /send channels to that group. As soon as i select the mix group channel as input, the effect sends lose the output (to this group). I don’t understand why this happens, but i think there was an even easier way to set this up in Cubase anyway.

Another thing: may it be problematic that i use the Control Room as the actual monitoring output ? In the audio connections settings, i left the main stereo out to “not connected” (otherwise i’d listen to two outputs simultaneously on my speakers). I can’t route the stereo output in the mixer anywhere (it’s just blank), also direct routing doesn’t seem to be an option.
I’m sure i’m missing something…can anyone help ?

If your output isn’t connected then an Audio track should be able to take that output track as its input and you can record that way. Of course you can’t then send the audio track’s output to the same main output because you’d get feedback.

And that’s what I would check if I were you - that you haven’t by accident set things up to create feedback (which Cubase might not allow and that’s why it isn’t working).

I don’t do music, I do post, but the way I have it set up is so that my default output track is one thing (5.1 in my case) and then I have a separate output for my main stereo mix. That way I can always record off of that main stereo mix output bus onto an audio track without problems, because any new audio track I create by default goes to the default output track which is different. No feedback. And then in Control Room I can choose either as a source (this is Nuendo).

Anyway, look for accidental feedback loops?

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I need to ask since it is not totally clear from your question: menu File → Export → Audio Mixdown does not work?

“printing” typically means to record onto a track in realtime, not exporting from a file menu.

Does your audio interface have a loop back feature? I print sometimes the stereo out into my session as a new track fed by loopback source (so stereo out signal). Works great.

Hello all, and thanks a lot for you input ! Especially @Matthias for the explanations.

@MatthiasNYC

Yes, the routing would work that way, my problem is that it won’t include the sends, when i try to route them to that group. There shouldn’t be any feedback, unless my logic fools me.
The routing would be: EFFECT SENDS → MIX GROUP ->MAIN OUT - that should work, right ? But the Mix Group is not available for the FX sends in my case. I made some screenshots.
In the first one. on the left (purple) are the FX sends, right next to them is the MIX Group (blue). Although the MIX Group is not routed anywhere, it is still not available as ouput for the FX sends (pop up menu).
In the second one (audio connections) you can see that the “MIXGRP” channel is flagged not availabe for the FX sends. Can anyone tell me why that is ? Since other groups would be available, it just makes no sense to me.

One question about your setup: how do you record that separate stereo mix to a track in detail ?
I’m thinking of re-routing my whole session and setup a new (separate) main mix, not sure if this would work/fix the problem though.


@Johnny_Moneto
Audio export is not what i want. It does work, but printing is quicker and easier in this situation (i want to print lots of single cues of a movie, realtime).

@Starnaf
That might work, but i’m out of I/O’s, and i don’t want to convert the signal again if not neccessary.

Strange. It works for me is all I can say. It is odd though that your “MIXGRP” has some sort of icon in front of it. Is it a plus sign?

I would try just creating a new group to see if that works.

My main / default output is the 5.1 surround mix output at the bottom. It’s not connected and is basically just there to make sure the downmix presets end up being correct if I need to work in surround.

All my main groups (Dia/Mus/FX etc.) go to the stereo mix output at the top. It’s not connected to anything either.

Then as you can see my audio track “CAS_105” has that stereo mix as a source, and as a destination it has “REF AUDIO” which is a separate output (again with no hardware destination).

All I have to do is place the track in record and get going.

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Wow ! Thank you so much for taking the time on explaning this, Mattias…again - as i remember your help here before, and on gearspace as well :slight_smile:
This is highly interesting, and i’d have lots of off-topic questions from your screenshots/routings…but don’t want to bother you really :slight_smile:
I got the idea of your Stereo-mixdown-Bus, and i just tried that. And believe it or not - still doesn’t work. It actually does the same crazy thing when using a separate bus as well - it won’t let me route the sends to it, when the new mix bus becomes the input of the print-track. I start to believe that either something is wrong with my sends (is there maybe any general FX send setting that could prevent such routings ?), or it is a bug.

For me it looks like a “no entry” sign…hmm. (later, the new separate mix bus showed the same/screenshot below)
I also tried one of the existing groups as mix group (drum grp), but it does the same. Super strange.

For now i’m doing the audio export/import from pool detour…still grateful for any suggestions or even solutions :slight_smile:

Another way would be, if is there’s a possibility to tell Cubase in the audio export window, to import the file thereafter to a specific track (my main mixdown/print track) ? In the settings (“action after export”), it only allows “import to new track”…which creates a lot of extra hassle (move/delete…need to do this hundreds of times over the episodes).


This is kind of a foggy old memory - but I seem to recall there is some sort of routing restriction based on the Channel’s position in the Mixconsole. Something like you can always route to the right but not always to the left. Then again this could just be a figment of my imagination.

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No worries, I don’t mind answering. If I’m busy I’ll just wait until I have time :slight_smile:

I would try it again by starting with a completely clean project, no template, no tracks, nothing. And then just set it up from the ground-up.

I hope this isn’t some Cubase limitation…

Edit, just saw Raino’s post and remember something similar.

Build from the ground up. Maybe start from the end, with the outputs you need, work back to groups, then the rest that feeds the groups…

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Thanks for the hint raino - but wow, that would be weird if true :slight_smile: (did Steinberg mind the cables ? :wink: ) Actually, the sends are on the left most side of the console in this case, so from this it should work ?

Thanks ! Well then: do i get this right that you use main outs instead of group channels, or, why do you use separate outputs for each stem ?
Also i’m curious, what are the censored/uncensored tracks for ? (you don’t do any adult material mixes ? :slight_smile: )
And about the 5.1 channel for downmixing: so you always create a 5.1 mix on the go, in case needed later ?
To be honest, i’d love to see a template of yours to get an idea of how it’s done right :slight_smile:
, since i do post work from time to time too, and struggle with organizing/structuring/routing (totally understand if not possible).

I’ll try building a project from the ground up for testing tomorrow (almost 4am here)…though even if that works, it’ll probably not help…would have to import tons of tracks into it, rebuild a lot, and i don’t really trust that :wink:
Thanks again to all for the suggestions !

It’s partly a practical thing. I always render all mixes and stems from outputs only, and the only thing I have on outputs are at most a very conservative safety limiter (that hardly does any work). So it’s a final point in the signal chain that I never touch or automate. In Control Room in Nuendo I tap the different mix and stem output buses as monitor sources so I always hear exactly what’s getting rendered. So I can always switch quickly between full mix, mix minus narration, M&E etc. It’s also tidier because it’s easier to color code the type of track (outputs) and show/hide all of them. Just neater.

I route everything into “food groups” that are group tracks. So all dialog and the dialog reverb goes to a group track, sfx and fx reverb gets its own group, etc. and then the groups go to the required outputs (mixes / stems).

Why separate outputs per stem? Because by definition in sound-to-picture the stems have to be separate, it’s usually a few (?) different recurring combinations the networks use, and it’s the only thing that makes sense in terms of time management. When I get source audio from the video editor all I have to do is put dialog on dialog tracks in my template, nat sound on nat, and so on. Since it’s already routed in my template I automatically always get what I need where I need it, in the correct outputs.

When it’s time to deliver final content I just select multiple outputs and export everything at once. I don’t need to solo things and export and then solo something else etc. It’s all pre-routed in the template.

Actually for a fair amount of shows there’s “bleeps” (sine wave) that replaces specific curse words, and in the international version of the same show the curses are left in. So what I do is I have separate dialog tracks called “dia curses” or whatever it is and they go to a dialog group that contains only those words but the same processing as the main clean dialog group. Clean dialog group goes to both the censored and uncensored full mix output. Curse dialog group (curse words only) go to only the uncensored full mix output. The bleeps go to only the censored full mix. (and this applies to other mixes/stems).

This way I can again just edit the dialog once and cut out curse words and move them to a separate dedicated track, paste a bleep in the bleep track (goes to censored full mix only) and then I don’t have to do anything else. It’s all done.

At least once per year I have a client with a ‘dirty’ dialog track that gives me new specs / deliverables last minute mandating both censored and uncensored, and this way it’s as easy as ticking a box in the export dialog and everything is routed correctly. Of course I need to know ahead of time which words are acceptable for the given network.

Actually I have two templates. The ‘current’ one is stereo-up. So it’s a stereo focused template, and I have a few groups that ‘upmix’ to 5.1 if needed. It’s not really the best way to work, it’s mostly legacy routing and a ‘quick and dirty fix’ if someone asks for it. The other reason I have the 5.1 output as the main output is my monitoring system is 5.1, and I prefer to edit dialog on the center channel. So all dialog and narration tracks in my template go to a separate “EDIT” output that is mono, and when I choose that in CR it goes to my center speaker only. I can switch to hear dialog only on the center with just a quick key command, I never need to solo the specific track or dialog vca or whatever.

Then my slightly older 5.1 template is an actual 5.1 template where food groups are 5.1 channels wide instead of stereo, and that then has automatic downmixing to stereo which sounds basically identical in terms of balance. Last year I did a show with original language and Spanish dub and both 5.1 and stereo for each, plus all the usual stems, and that too was exported all at once. That ended up being a wider project though because of the double languages, but doable.

Really the only thing to look out for when mixing this way is making sure level automation between “food groups” is done in the right place. Some require undipped music, others don’t, for example, so that determines where you drop music for dialog and / or narration. But as long as that’s done correctly from the start it’s a quick way to work.

I’m using Nuendo so I’m not sure if or how it translates, but sure.

PS: I’ve been playing poker and drinking Rye whiskey so if there’s nonsense above you now know why…

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Haha, no nonsense at all, perfectly clean and 100% understandable :slight_smile:
Really, thanks again so much for taking the time, highly appreciated here.
It sounds like a very clever way to set up the templates like that, now i understand the use of the separate outputs too. Really nice !
The control room is such a great thing… I’ve been using key commands to switch between alternative speakers or stereo/5.1 outputs before, but using it to quickly monitor the stems is on a next level (yet so simple…when you know it :slight_smile: ).
About the censored versions - very interesting as well - never thought about that there have to be seperate mixes for that, but of course it makes sense.
Also having tracks ready for dipped/undipped music…so easy…i used to create separate projects for that (for demo mixes).
When you say networks - does that mean TV stations, to which you deliver directly (your clients ?) ?
And they will set up your stems on their own ?

In my case, when doing music for TV shows, i’m never asked or required to deliver anything else than a stereo mix . My clients are usually the production companies (inbetween the TV), but they also don’t seem to care about any standards or having different mixes available :wink: (Germany here)

For me that’s still the hardest/most uncertain part, when mixing foley/SFX/DX and so on. If your template includes routing for that (especially the sends routing), it would be very interesting to take a look at it. For example - i don’t know how it’s called properly, i call it “perspective mixing” - when objects or characters move around in a scene or during camera changes, to automate and route their reverb levels…i’m still not sure if i’m doing it right, or “professionally” right :slight_smile:

Cubase usually handles Nuendo projects fine, but i got Nuendo on another machine as well. Would be fantastic if you don’t mind to share ? I’ll just pm you.
Also, would you mind telling which shows you’ve been working on ? I’m curious to watch/hear your work.
If anything of the above sounds like nonsense…it is because i’m usually out of my mind :nerd_face: :wink:

Yes, TV (or ‘streaming’ these days) networks. I deliver to the production company which delivers to the network and the network QC department or an independent one will do QC. So I’m typically never in touch directly with a network.