Problem combining pipe-aggregated Time Signatures and pickup bars

This is quite a whimsical score, but please do not mind nnd bear with me.

Divertissement3AtisX.dorico (1.8 MB)

The basic Time signature is 3/4|3/4|3/4,
there is a small episode of 2 bars as 3/4|3/4
I wish for a pickup bar of 3/4|3/4 length
and I expect indeed to have dashed pseudo barlines any time that a bar contains more than one 3/4 beat.

And the result is almost picture perfect, except that the initial pickup bar, which is correctly shortened to 2 beats, is missing the dashed barline, and proofreading report an error, on this bar which seems related but not obvious to understand.

Also there are 3 other proofreading error reports in the second page, from the 2nd part of bar 7 to the final bar (15 or 16?), but they are not macthed with any apparent damage. The display is exactly what I expect, except for the 1st missing dashed barline, and the the playback is perfect too.

Is a particular syntax needed to combine”|” aggregation and “,” pickup spec?

Indeed, using pickup syntax together with an aggregate time signature seems to prevent the dashed barline from appearing…

There are some other odd issues too: when I try to enter a time signature at bar 2, I can only get a local one. I suspect that maybe the aggregate/pickup combination is causing some unexpected issues?

After a few attempts, I managed (I think) to get what you want by Alt‑clicking a 3/4+3/4+3/4 (that was in bar 5) to the second bar, and then to the first bar — which stays at 3/4+3/4, since Time Signatures don’t create extra-beats in this case if you’re not in Insert Mode, but which displays a 3/4+3/4+3/4, and the dashed barline.

Divertissement3AtisX.dorico (1,8 Mo)

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Indeed this what I wanted (I assumed you meant that was in bar 7 :slight_smile: ). Well done, and thank you!

So the answer is that there are some issues, but there is a “overpaint” workaround. I will set your answer as a soltion, of course, since issues seem to be reasonably identified, and I have the workaroiund. But it would be pleasant to have this rembereed as a nice to have future fix. Do you think this Post is enough?

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Yes – the dev team has said that they monitor all posts and take note of feature requests.

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Thanks!

In a rather similar (but not quite?) score:

AirEspagnolX.dorico (1.5 MB)

I tried to emulate your solution, but I failed:

AirEspagnolY.dorico (1.5 MB)

The dashed barline is misplaced. Did I chose the wrong Time signature to Alt-Click?

Hi @pmc.galoubet,

this is a tricky one because of the 5 pick-up.

Waiting for someone to calculate a better solution [Edit: see my next post for a better method], here a workaround , using 2 coordination lines which use a custom line style that has the same values as the dotted barline, then a little Note Spacing (to emulate the spacing as if it would be a real dotted barline) :

Result:


Dorico file example:
AirEspagnolX-WORKAROUND.dorico (1.5 MB)

Custom Line:

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Indeed it is the simplest workaround as long as the aggregated TS combined with pickups have issues. Thank you.

@pmc.galoubet
Here I have another method, much faster and easier, just using removed rest:

  • delete the pick-up (,5) from the first TS
  • add a quarter value at the beginning of the piece (with the Bar popover, 1q)
  • remove rest
  • adjust the spacing:

Dorico file:
AirEspagnolX-hidden rest method.dorico (1.5 MB)

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Yes, I like i better too. Thanks.