It’s interesting. That tempo track from pro is what I expect. The anomalies I am experiencing in Elements… well, makes it seem worthless. What I was trying to do doesn’t seem to me should be such a task to introduce these problems.
For my needs, based on this: I’m Retired IT network engineer, learning the keyboard as a good exercise for my mind; enjoying it a lot, playing some songs that are not that simple, like Riders On The Storm with accompaniments based on using capabilities of the DGX 670 aranger keyboard; with interest in adding more expression with a DAW. Not playing to a live audience, just doing YouTube videos.
Do you think Artist 13 would meet needs. This Elements 11 is not an encouraging environment.
Hi Roger, sometimes, you can see this sort of things, but your data in the midi file is not complete lost.
If you make an instrument track, you can move the event to another track.
I realy do not know what you can do in elements because i am using Cubase 13 pro, but we can give you advice, and maby you can save some of your data in your midi files.
So, maby you’ve got to change some setting, but i think maby you can use the midi note settings in your editor after move the event to an instrument track.
Good luck.
P.S.
Did you know that you can try the next steps:
Make a new project and make instrument tracks.
Save this project with empthy instrument tracks.
Close that project and open the project with your MIDI file tracks.
Select the events, as many intrument tracks you made and push Ctrl-c (COPY)
Then close that project and open the project with the empthy instrument tracks.
Select the most upper track and push Ctrl-v (paste)
Then, the events from your old MIDI track should be copied to your instrument tracks.
To save your events, and then i think the first measure is correct again, because that data is not in the events.
You can also use midi tracks to instead of the instrument tracks and copy the events to another project.
For the measure, what kind tracks you can use in elements?
Here’s a comparison chart. Elements is indeed pretty limited. What are the top five or so ‘needs’ that are most important to you?
One other thing that I don’t think has been mentioned yet is that there isn’t anything special about where your music starts. On my Projects I put the first bar of music on bar 9. Lots of other folks do similar.
On my Projects I put the first bar of music on bar 9. Lots of other folks do similar.
I presume in that case if you have multiple tempo changes, and are following sheet music, you would have to apply the tempo change 9 measures higher than sheet music shows, no? I’m thinking that is the problem I am following. And I’m guessing the scenario I am sitting in is not a common scenario. That meaning interest in specific measure markers are not important to most. Maybe I just didn’t do a good job of explaining my problem at first.
Appreciate your sharing the comparison, although I have looked at that. I’m too uneducated on DAWs to make a decision based on that.
At this point, I see my use of a DAW as fairly limited: tempo edits, and volume edits, some of which would be track based as opposed to song based. Of course as my learning grows, I certainly would like to have the larger list of features.
FYI…I downloaded the v13 Pro version for the 60 day trial. Results identical to edit from Cubase Elements 11.
I will try some of the info listed earlier to see if I can resolveit. I’m just quite surprised that this problem exists.
Indeed the list is long in the comparison, but the price is lower to.
But, you say you are just starting, so offcourse we understand some things.
I was programming in a daw in 2005 till 2009 in Cubase SX, now since februari 29 i use cubase 13 pro.
I had not problems yet with tempo and measure, but i use instrument tracks, sometimes a sampler, audio track, and i can save a midi file of this tracks to, because in the daw, the sequenser = the key editor to edit an event.
So, the data from a midifile if i save that have some options.
I think we can not read this comparison to see every differents, but if you write here what you see if you gonna save it as a midi file.
When i program in an instrument track with Groove Agent, then i can save what i programmed in the key editor as a MIDI file.
after that, i can drag this midifile in Groove Agent and put my own MIDI file under a PAD.
Even if i use Groove Agent stand alone, the MIDI files programmed in Cubase, i can use the same midi setting with another instrument.
Because the events are in the DAW the sequenser.
And if you are just learning now about software at this level, it is advanced, but it can be fun to.
The first month i was busy with all kindy settings while making music, sometimes that cost some time, but that is in the beginning.
And offcourse if you see something that you want to know, just ask.
So you are not alone Good luck.
Since I’m basically using Cubase as a glorified tape-recorder I don’t usually take into consideration how it looks in the Score Editor - but you’re right I’d end up with the first 8 bars as rests. However in Pro (not sure about the other editions) you can set the first bar in a Project to a negative number - which lets you offset the bar numbers along the grid so the numbers are correct in the Score Editor.
That’s why you have me. I had many talks with Yamaha PSR owners (and their successors), which is surprising given the fact that I never owned one nor do I work in that particular area of music myself.
These (MIDI-) workstations have their own way of doing things and often their owners expect Cubase to behave in the same way - which is not the case.
It is basically the MIDI equivalent of guitar players trying to use a DAW as a glorified tape recorder.
(NB: Dear reader, this message makes fun usage of stereotypes, please don’t get upset)
Off topic: I don’t see how the posters here have the quoted text they are replying to indicate the person being quoted. Most forums have an option to click quoting them, and multi quote. That’s why my quotes don’t show that.
@raino you can set the first bar in a Project to a negative number - which lets you offset the bar numbers along the grid so the numbers are correct in the Score Editor.
That’s it, the solution! I presume that it showing correct in the Score Editor translates to it having correct correct measures per the sheet music. I will be searching out that command in the Pro version…actually I’ll try to find it in the Elements version too, although I don’t think it likely given it is the least expensive version, as well as the fact the version I have is version 11.
I love that comment. It applies to a lot of folks here. Having the interest, and taking the time to write extensive posts in the endeavor to help people expand their knowledge is certainly appreciated by me.
Well, I don’t know if I should have marked the post solved, as the rules pop up saying to not reply unless I have additional details…Maybe I should start a new post. Suggestions for proper forum etiquette is welcome.
@raino However in Pro (not sure about the other editions) you can set the first bar in a Project to a negative number - which lets you offset the bar numbers along the grid so the numbers are correct in the Score Editor
I found some instructions for changing the measure to -1. I’m not having success. I’ll post the instructions I did find and then what I am seeing:
To set the measure number to -1 in Cubase Pro, you will need to adjust the project’s timeline and time display settings. Here’s how you can do it:
Open your project in Cubase Pro.
Open the Project Setup window:
Go to the menu bar and select Project → Project Setup or press Shift + S.
Adjust the Start Time:
In the Project Setup window, locate the “Start” field under the section “Display Format” or similar (depending on your Cubase version).
Change the Start Time to an earlier time to ensure your timeline can accommodate negative measure numbers. For example, set it to something like -00:01:00:00 (negative one minute).
Set the Primary Time Display Format to Bars+Beats:
Ensure that your primary time display format is set to Bars+Beats so that you can work with measure numbers. This can usually be done in the Project Setup window or from the transport bar.
Adjust the Bar Offset:
Go to the menu bar and select Project → Set Time Display Offset.
In the Time Display Offset window, set the Bar Offset to -2. This will make measure 1 display as measure -1 in the timeline.
Confirm and Apply Changes:
Confirm the changes and close the Project Setup and Time Display Offset windows.
Well, I was promoted, but still not enough to put more than 1 image. The rest is in the next post
Thanks,. I have been pushing the quote, but don’t see the name in the preview, so have been manually adding. I’ll go ahead and save without adding it .
What I see when I push the " is Blockquote. I have been backing up to erase the word Blockquote, copy/paste in what specific words I am referring to. I won’t do that here.
Just ignore it. The forum software seems to assume that the only purpose of starting a thread is to identify a solution to a problem. But a lot of the threads are really ongoing discussions on a topic and will never have a solution. Even a fair number that start off looking for a problem & find a solution evolve into a discussion. But we still want folks to mark the solutions because then they’ll show up higher in search results.
If you have a piece that starts on Bar 1 at 120 BPM then at 4/4 Bar 1 will be at 00:00 minutes & seconds; and bar 30 will be at 01:00, exactly one minute later. However there are some tasks like changing the starting Bar or the Tempo that will change the relationship between realtime and Bars & Beats (e.g. at 140BPM bar 30 will be earlier than one minute). When this occurs Cubase doesn’t know if you want to keep items where they were on the Bars & Beats ruler or the Minutes & Seconds ruler. So it asks. It sounds like you are doing stand alone music, so Bars is probably what you should use. Anchoring stuff to a position in time is mostly used by folks like film composers who need cues to occur at specific times.
Hi Roger, i think now maby this measure problem, is not caused by importing your MIDI file.
Maby you discovered this settings, when you import this MIDI file, but do you have the same issue with other files?
I mean, if you open a new project, and there is no track yet, and you look in the section in the key editor, if everything start with bar 0 and just follow in the good measure, or you make a track and select a part and create an event, the MIDI itself in that event, i can drag that event and then this event, that contains MIDI, start just later.
So what i think now, is that in your MIDI file .mid everything is Oké.
If this DATA is stalled in a saved project .cpr, and how does it look when you open a new project.
So i think the MIDI file is not the Issue but settings like Raino is writting about.
Here in the export options for a MIDI file the Export Locator Range is an option.
But, how you saved your file, and open it, change it to save it again in good order, was i think the issue.
For myself, i should test some other files to if you have some saved files.
If this measure problem must be changed in settings in Cubase it self, then that DATA is not always a part of a file like MIDI or a .cpr file.
So, if you know that, maby next time if you have an issue like this, just load another file or open a new project to see if there is any differents so you can exclude the DATA from the MIDI file itself as the Issue.
I stumbled on the right combination in the project time displays in the Project Setup (Shift S). On my 13th iteration of combinations/permutations of settings to try.
I discovered that if you changed the settings in that menu, it was changing the default for any new project you open, as opposed to applying to just the one project you are working on. Seems to me that if you change “Project Settings” while working on a project, it should just apply to that project. Oh well…I think it worked out good for me. Here’s why…
So I had tried just changing only the bar offset, and it didn’t work. I closed the project, and created a new project (forgetting to clear the bar offset which was set at 1).
So when I imported the project it applied that bar offset of 1. This resulted in what had been bar 1 being bar 0. But of course it still played a blank measure. I went into the Project Setup, and changedd the bar offset to 0, and answered yes to the question :
That removed measusre 0, and pulled measure 1 into position. The fact that when I did the import I had the bar offset at 1, that was what pulled the song into measure 1 when being imported.
@Erik8 I pulled in two other songs, and both had the same thing: music started plaly at 2.
The intention in Cubase is to create a Project with everything set the way you prefer and save that as a Template. Then use that Template to create new Projects.
Good luck.
