Problem with 8ba line playback

Several things here. 1. When I put an 8va bassa line under a note it causes the note to jump up an octave, which is exactly the opposite of what is needed.
2. I extend the line to cover all the notes I want to play back an octave lower (on piano) and usually only the first note with the 8va under plays back an octave lower and the others play at written pitch.
I also understand the concept of keeping writing and engraving modes separate but it would be nice to be able to extend the dotted line in write mode instead of having to switch modes to do so.



Octave lines work in a different way in Dorico:

  1. They work by mantaining the octave where the notes were, not by transposing them. To make what you want, you will have to move these notes an octave lower manually.
  2. You don’t have to extend the dotted line when the octave line is set up, just because Dorico allows you to select all the notes you want to indicate an octave higher/lower and then click the “8va line” symbol in its panel.


Thanks for the reply

I understand Dorico’s logic, but there is an alternate logic:

I write the note where I want to see it; the act of adding 8ba (etc) shifts the output rather than what I’ve input.

Firstly this follows the pen-and-paper operation. Secondly (and more importantly), I don’t have to fiddle around with notes a dozen leger lines down (or up) - which is precisely the point of 8ba in the first place!

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And isn’t that the way published music works?
When I play published piano or flute music the octave shifts are there so that I play the notes an octave up or down from what I see.
So if Dorico is moving the notes while keeping the octave line, I would be doubling the shift because I would expect that’s what I was supposed to do.
Is that what Dorico is doing?

that seems to be it Robert. So I’d have to write lines at the bottom of the piano at pitch and then put the octave sign in if I’m understanding this correctly.

Dorico just changes the way it looks in the score, not the “real” value of the octave. What it means is that if you input a C4, it will always be a C4, and will not transpose. An advantage is that if you make any octave change (8va, 15ma…), then you can get rid of it and still have the same C4.
Another example of a similar functionality are clef changes: they change how it looks in the score relative to the clef, but do not transpose anything.

But how would I perform from a score with an octave line that also had the notes already shifted?

There should some workaround, anyway, to change how it behaves when shifting octaves up or down. Both alternatives (the one you described —the same as in Product B, F…e—, and the one Dorico does) are quite correct, but maybe they have different destinations.

Daniel explained a long time ago that the 8v sign was considered a clef in Dorico. How difficult can it be to write the notes you want to see, select them, press CTRL-ALT-DOWNARROW, and then apply the 8vb “clef” to the already selected notes?

Considering these as clefs doesn’t preclude a different process of entry. ‘How difficult can it be…?’ is a question that could be applied without end. Nothing Dorico does is ‘difficult’ in Finale or Sibelius. ‘How much easier could it be…?’ is better. Chipping a keystroke here, an extra stare at the score there leads to a significantly better whole.

One thing I like about Dorico’s conception of 8va as clef, is that it knows what octave the note is, as albert0984 says. In Sibelius, if the 8va line ends a tiny fraction too soon or too late, the octave playback can get messed up - but this would never happen in Dorico.

Could somebody please let me know how to place a 8va bassa------- symbol?

Thank you