I’m working on a songbook in which the songs have different lyricists, and also different subtitles to each song. Accordingly, I’ve put the required details in the Project Info dialog, and it all looks good. However, I want the actual Project Title to appear only on the first page of the whole work, and not above each individual song = flow. If I set ‘Use ‘First’ page template’ in Layout Options to ‘First flow only’ I lose my lyricist, composer and subtitle fields, which only appear if ‘Any flow starting at top of page’ is selected. Where do I find the option for showing the project title on the first page of the first flow only?
I would copy the First Page Template and then delete the Title, Composer, Lyricist (and copyright notice?) from the real First page.
I would put the composer and lyricist tokens into a custom Header Template.
I would then manually apply the faux First Page Template to the actual first page only and apply the custom Header Template to run continuously whenever a new flow appears.
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Many thanks, Derek - I’d never have figured that one out. Much appreciated.
Coming back to this, Derrek, I have form in messing things up when trying to manage templates and associated routines. Would I be storing up trouble for myself if I simply deleted the Project Title field from each individual song except the first one? On the face of it, it seems to work, but it might just be too easy to be true.
You could also consider editing the flow heading template, so that it includes text frames and tokens for flow lyricist, flow composer and flow subtitle.
The benefit of this would be that if you adjust how long some of the flows are, their flow headings (and the lyricist, composer and subtitle) will move with the music.
There’s a video on this page that helps demonstrate the possibilities as well:
It would take longer, and you’d have local page overrides that will be locked to those specific pages only. Sometimes that’s a handy way of achieving a goal, but again if the music needs to move across pages etc, the frames will no longer update to move with them: they’ll be locked in place. The frames on those pages also won’t update to match future edits you make to the page templates.
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Are you referring to the Page Template or the Project Info?
If the Project Info then you can’t really. The Title field in Project Info when you click a Flow name is the Flow Title. If you click Project in the left-hand pane, that is the Project Title.
As for the Page Template, if you ever need the Project Title somewhere else, it’s only a token away as it is always available in any Flow.
If I understand rightly, the idea would be to delete the Project Title field from the First page of the page template, and use the token as an override on page 1 of the complete work (meaning of course that it wouldn’t move even if pages were added elsewhere in the score).
I’ve got as far as in the attached file, and the text tokens on p.1 look more or less where I’d like them to be. But, try as I might, I can’t get the first pages of subsequent flows to look right - the flow title is in the right place, but the top staff of music and its tempo marking is too near the composer/lyricist fields. I’ve tried fiddling with the First page template to correct this, but can’t find the right arrangement of frames - basically it seems that the flow title is joined at the hip to the music , moving down with it as I try to increase the distance above the top staff. Where am I going wrong?
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Ok, I’ll take a look and see what I can do.
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I think you want something like this?
I have created a new 1st page template - and removed the lyricist/composer tokens
I have created a new flow heading template - and added the lyricist/composer tokens
I have inserted those as template and heading change on page 1
I have altered the Layout settings.
NB: There’s an issue over page numbers not appearing at new flows - not had time to fix that
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Wow, Janus, you are truly a star! Many thanks for doing this for me. Very much appreciated. Gareth
Ok Gareth here is my fix.
Since all new Flows start a new page, Flow Headers aren’t really necessary so, I removed them. It will simplify things a bit
Like @Janus , I made the first page a Page Template and called it Title. If you accidentally removed the page override, the first page would just disappear so best to use a Template.
I created a new Paragraph Style for your Flow Subtitle. So, if you ever want to change the size or styling, you can just edit the Paragraph Style.
So, now you have 2 good examples to help you out. Any more questions, we’re here.
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Craig - I’m so grateful to you. What a superb forum this is! Thanks to both of you for going the extra mile, indeed miles, to help me out. Kindest regards, Gareth
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