Proper Post EQ

For me the idea of the channel EQ is a Tool, which is placed in every channel without using additional plugins in other positions in chain, and with a permanent visual feedback in Mixer and channel overview.

A combination of multiple plugins is not really an option for me (although I like postfilter for offline-processing), not knowing in which plugin I automated what. I want to filter in one single overview, otherwise I propably would get lost in a big project mixing.

And of course there are post-pro filters on the market, so no need to use multiple Nuendo-EQs.
I have to use a third party plugin, which offers me more bands (including cuts/shelves), like OxfordEQ or Fabfilter. And the Channel-EQ is still left out ever since I use Nuendo.

And having a look to competition:
Harrison Consoles offers 8 bands.
Neve DMC: 8 bands
Pro Tools: 7 bands
Semipros like Samplitude: 6 bands
Logic: 8 bands

and on the bottom:
Cubase: 4 bands
Nuendo: 4 bands (although I pay extra for a post-production-tool, compared to cubase)

I don’t understand what they’ve tried to do with those eq…playskool? Toys"R" Us?

Hey, you mean that extra cut-plugin with simply no visual feedback in eq and with a fixed(!!) and unswitchable(!!) Q slope?

I think we agree, that this could not be more than a joke by steinberg, a fixed Q is sth. which I propably could live with in a musicmaker smartphone app, but not in a DAW which is used by pros in a pro business.

I have to hicut an atmosphere in a complete another way than ADR or music! And since I do not have a visual feedback in eq-graph, why - again - shouldn’t I then use a proper third party tool?

I have never seen a fixed slope on any EQ out there, not even on freeware ones. And not in 200$-Logic.
And this (seriously) was promoted in N6 as two more bands…

Well my Norwegian friend :slight_smile:
As the eq isn’t compatible between N5.5 and N6 I very much doubt they had any reason not to change the eq layout between the versions.

I regularly use the Nuendo eq and find it far more useful than the oOford which limits the range of each band. I can get further with 4 unlimited bands than 5 limited ones. Also I find Nuendo’s eq to be better sounding. Oxford’s eq whistles a little more if that description makes sense.

I also regularly use the postfilter in conjunction. It is a powerful combination for me and does the bulk of the heavy lifting. Studio Eq can help if I really need more bands- other eq’s for sweetening.

More bands on the channel eq? Why not. It would come in handy.

What would really be great is postfilter with more bands or (same thing) studio eq with postfilter’s slopes. That would kick a**.

Dean

I use the Oxford as my standard EQ in Nuendo since several years now, and never ran into problems concerning the band-limits. If I would need 4 bands higher than for example 6kHz I guess it’s not shaping the sound in the mix, but having soundproblems which I propably would delete offline via restoration-tools or postfilter.
The thing I like with the limited bands: It makes my EQ-midi-controller (perfect for this: BCR2000, I have mapped the Oxford permanently to this one) a precise controller, since each band is split in to 128midi-values. Midi-Controlling the complete bandwidth with just 128steps is crap. But, OK, I admit: Midi-Controlling is of course a bit “yesterday”.

Once again, this means, that you have to use another EQ as an insert-plug, isn’t it? My point is, that if I have to use an additional insert-toy I can directly choose a proper one, from a third party company, which gives me all the options I would like to have in a single post-EQ (and all the options I get in all the other DAWs I know).

But: I really like the idea of having a channel EQ, which is not an insert-plugin, and which gives me full visual feedback in mixer, and in channel overview. That’s a great idea, imo, very much console-like, but just not usable at the moment, since - like you said - you have to EQ on several locations in chain due to the limited actual channel EQ.

I agree. And if the channel eq included proper LF/HF filters, it would be sweet right?

Pål

Yeah!

basically… but…OK, I would prefer at least a 5-band + LF/HF.
With 7 bands all incl I can set the frequency-values to the most common ones for male/femal resonance, room-modes, presences, nosysounds, etc, by default, and begin to tune from this standard-setting.
That’s great in Oxford or Pro Tools, or all the other EQs.

So I will revise my wish list (I’m always afraid to ask for too much) in support of you Domilik!

Channel eq with 6 bands plus hi/low pass filters with adjustable Qs and feed back in the channel eq display for those filters, like the postfilter filters.

Can we also get 3 bands on the postfilter? It would be even better to incorporate the postfilter into the channel eq. That would be a great option on each band.

How about it Steinberg?

Dean

I almost forgot- please give us back the invert button on the channel eq! It is a drag to have to right click to get a menu and then click. It was there in N5 and before.

Dean

Great, so we have a nice wishlist for the channel EQ.

And now I guess we have to wait for the next “large rewrite” which I’m sure will be in N7.
(I am fighting for this special topic since 2006)

Hello,

thanks for your suggestions on this topic. We will put this into the feature request list,
followed by an investigation on the respective efforts necessary to turn it into reality.

Thanks,
Timo

That’s great. Thanks Timo.

Dean

Hello,

I’d like to keep you updated regarding the “post EQ” topic. We had a first internal discussion
on how to achieve this, what the efforts might be and when it could be put on the roadmap.

First, reworking the standard Channel EQ means a major effort as many adjustment would have
to be done. So, the only option would be to realize this as a separate VST3 plug-in. In this case I
believe it is possible to also include the Post-Filter plug-in functionality. However, this request
needs to be balanced against the many other feature-wishes coming in on a daily basis.

The project situation doesn’t allow for a realization in Nuendo 6. It can only be scheduled for
the Nuendo 7.x lifecycle. This answer might not be inspiring to some who’d like to see it realized
by tomorrow, but it’s the only realistic scenario.

Thanks,
Timo

Hello Timo,

thank you very much for your response, it feels good to know, that our discussion here is followed by you.

The aim of my thread was to get this enhanced eq-features:

  • more bands
  • Hi/LowCuts with adjustable Q
  • invert-button
    into the channel EQ.

The Channel EQ is a great idea, since you do not have to insert it on every channel, and since this is the EQ whose curve is shown in channel window and mixer! It is like mixing on a pro console. But we need this channel EQ to match the requirements of a post production session at least with the features mentioned on top.

I am sure, that an additional VST3-plugin just would not help us, due to the lack of visual response in mixer and channel overview. And I am sure that everybody of us already owns a proper third-party EQ with all those features for the actual work on the sessions. I have to admit that after many years with Nuendo in post business, the - I guess - only feature I never used, is this actual Channel EQ. And that is a pity.

Just thinking loud: If a rework of standard channel EQ is not an option, what about an optional switch of channel EQ, like you did with the different available surround-panners?