Question about condensing with trills

Hey everybody,

I’m somewhat new to condensing orchestral scores, so please bear with me.

I have set up an orchestral score, and here is the look of a few of the bars in galley mode uncondensed:

When I click on condensing, I end up with this:

What’s going on with the trills? Is there something I’m missing here?

Many thanks,
—Michael

Try removing the triplet brackets, or to be 100% certain, just delete that phrase in Ob. 2 and copy it from Ob. 1 (adjusting octave as appropriate).

Is this kind of the way condensing goes? There are lots of little errors that you have to micromanage? I’ve been finding this to be true, along with part extraction. So should I uncondense, then try to fix the error, then recondense?

Where did the little trill squiggles go in condensing? Dorico won’t allow me to add them back after condensing. Or rather, I can sort of add them back into the full score if I use Engraving mode, but then they won’t appear in the parts! I have to go back in and add the squiggle back into the full score, but then manually add them into the parts. I’ve encountered this before. Dorico seems to have issues with trills not appearing consistently between full scores and parts – and in this case, also not working well with condensing. Thankfully, even though it’s more work, it seems for now I can override things.

I just tried copying and pasting the same trill notes from flute 1 to flute 2, and then again from oboe 1 to oboe 2, and after condensing, this is now what I get:

Not all properties are shared between non-condensed and condensed staves.

If you always want to show trill wiggle lines, I’d recommend changing your Engraving Options to this setting, so you don’t have to change the property every time.

To make sure property changes carry through from the score to parts (or vice versa), set your property scope for local properties to “Globally”. Be aware that this means graphical position adjustments can get copied to other layouts too, so you may want to switch it back to “Locally” before nudging items around.

Your Oboes and Clarinets aren’t sharing a voice because there appears to be a difference in their dynamics in bars 2-3 in your screenshots: are the 2nd players missing a destination “f” marking? Try deleting the dynamics from one, and duplicating them again from the other.

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I’m by no means an expert at condensing. With that said, when I run into this type of strangeness, and in particular when you are dealing with octaves, I try to set the two parts in the same octave (galley view), then switch to Engrave or Print and make sure that unison condenses properly. I then move through adjusting the correct octave continually checking which one breaks[1] the algorithm.

[1] Not the best word choice as Dorico does certain things on purpose.

Thank you Lillie! I’m going to digest everything you’re saying here. I’m glad to know these problems aren’t just random, but it’s based on my lack of understanding of the best way to do things. I’ll report back! :slight_smile:

If you wonder why your crescendos do overlap: There are differences between the condensed players, so Dorico will paint one set of dynamics above the stave and one set below.

I’m seeing that now. I copied this score exactly from the original score. And there are inconsistencies in those parts, which is better for me to correct before doing the condensing.