Quick tuplet re-notate possible?

Dorico
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Hi all

In this example below is there a way to transform bar 1 into bar 2 (or vice versa) that’s quicker than delete and re-enter? I only want the triplets re-notated - the durations and placement in the bars are identical

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I have an idea, but may be is not the best one :

  1. copy entire bar 2
  2. select bar 1 and type « R » (repeat)
  3. select bar 1 and paste bar 2 memorised
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Hi, I’m not looking to swap the bars around - I edited the first post to make that clearer. I’m interested in how to transform the tuplet notation quickly - this isn’t a real example from the score.

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If everything is in the same voice: engage Insert Mode, select and delete the two tuplet brackets, then select the areas where you want triplets and invoke them.
You might have to force the first rest to show as an eight rest - with O.

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((( Totally offtopic: I’m wondering about the bass clef…)))

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just a daft example which would be a pain to re-enter

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That’s what I would have thought, and I already tried it, but it doesn’t work for this example

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Can you see the Rhythmic Grid?
Move the cursor to the right place, then invoke the triplet. It should work, provided you have selected sixteenth note values before.

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it should, but it doesn’t - did you try it?

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I am here with my phone - but I have done this quite a few times. The tuplet function in Dorico is really quite advanced - I myself have not yet experienced all possibilities yet…

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I tried, and had same thought as @k_b , but it isn’t trivial in this case …

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Same experience for me.

As the OP no doubt was designed to illustrate, it seems as if some sort of split tuplet function for non-prime groupings (6:X → 3:X/2 × 2, for example) with a further option to simplify an empty half to (a) simple rest(s), as in @Damian_leGassick’s example, might occasionally be handy. And possibly the reverse (“expand tuplet”?) as well.

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Out of interest: how would this have been solved in …

… Finale (can’t remember… too many years)
… Sibelius?

(I mean, without writing it new)

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((OT but FWIW in Lilypond you just have to replace \tuplet 6/4 with \tuplet 3/2))

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((But this would just replace a tuplet of the same length with another - different use case, I think. But I guess one would just replace \tuplet 6/16 with two times \tuplet 3/16 in two places in the note stream, do I remember this right?))

EDIT: not right :man_facepalming:

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((mmm I don’t think so :smiley:))

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Ah, of course :man_facepalming:

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OT but...

well to be fair you also have to change a couple of rests but it takes just seconds

\version "2.25.18"

{
  \time 2/4
  \tupletSpan 4
  \tuplet 6/4 {
   r8. r16 c'16[ d'] e'[ f'] r16 r8. 
  }

  r8
 \tupletSpan 8
 \tuplet 3/2 {
  r16 c'16[ d'] e'[ f'] r16 
  }
  r8
}
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I have the feeling this is no program doable in one step …