RE: Carbon Copy Delay FX (help?)

Hi,

So maybe I should try the HI OUTPUT and the hardware MXR CARBON COPY with the MOOG?

Ta,

Paul

you can try, try to find the sweet spot between gain and noise floor (which i heard in the recording).

Hi Lukas,

I spent a while this evening hooking up and experimenting with the MULTIMOOG thru an (hardware) MXR CARBON COPY PEDAL (and then into CUBASE).

Lot’s of OCTAVE switching going on (in real time) and application of FILTER MOD (via the WHEEL). Mostly blowing over a Bb Mixolydian and Bb Blues scales (though the piece does have a certain amount of structure about it). A little superimposing just at the very end (ie fade in/out of arpeggios), though other than that it is all 1 x track performed live.

Anyway Lukas, this time I used the HI OUTPUT (+12 dB) on the MULTIMOOG.

ISSUE = The MXR takes away some of the edge and fullness of the MULTIMOOG (even when you just activate it will all the DIALS at ZERO)? Also, some aliasing (for lack of a better term) when playing in the UPPER REGISTER of the MULTI (when the MXR is activated)?

A choice of You Tube or PicoSong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1ESTh-e7Ys&feature=youtu.be

http://picosong.com/gJYc

Cheers,

Paul

Hi,

So am I correct please in that there is definitely no CARBON COPY DELAY within ARTIST 8 please?

Here is a screenshot of REVERENCE and when I performed a search:



Ta,

Paul

use the ModMachine native plugin, that one offers modulation of the feedback signal.

Thanks Lukas,



Do uou mean PURCHASE the NI plug-in? As I do not own any NI VST’s.

Did you have a chance to listen to the MOOG with MXR CC demonstration I uploaded earlier please using the HI OUTPUT (+12dB)?

Best,

Paul

“native” as in native to Cubase, just start typing “mod” in the search window when you click on an empty insert slot and you’ll find it.

“So am I correct please in that there is definitely no CARBON COPY DELAY within ARTIST 8 please?”

There are four different delays with Cubase - again in the empty insert slot type “delay” to list them.

Hi PepperPig,

Ok, thanks man. I am still very much a NOVICE in CUBASE so I appreciate the help.

Paul

Thanks PP,

I will take a look . . .

Best,

Paul

Hi,

Well one thing I found out for sure tonight is: using the HI OUTPUT on the MULTI circa DOUBLES the amount (level) of artifacts when the MXR CC is activated. I changed it round last night to try this different OUTPUT, and at the same time, hooked up the MXR. Bad idea because I should have eliminated each individually. But I just realized tonight that the OUTPUT was HI so I changed it back to LO, and the results were better.

I may try and make a dedicated recording tomorrow. The artifacts are ONLY in the UPPER (2’) register. And they sound almost pitch-like (ie high harmonics).

Best,

Paul

Hello,

Here is a piece I made tonight after putting some time in thinking more about the MXR CARBON COPY DELAYsettings.

I set it to (what I would term) a SINGLE MEDUIM DELAY and tried (with little success) to play/keep in TIME with the damn thing! (I did not realize how tricky it was) :confused: But this was partly because I was trying to concentrate on shaping the FILTER and EG RELEASE (that’s my excuse anyway!).

Because, as mentioned above, I came from the LO OUTPUT on the MULTI, the artifacts are somewhat reduced.

I EXPORTED this (from CUBASE) as MP3 @ 44.1 and 48kHz (the latter being the highest option in mpeg). Though the FILE SIZE was IDENTICAL for both (2.21MB)?! And similarly I EXPORTED the WAV’s @ 44.1 and 96kHz (39MB and 84MB respectively). But they are too big to upload to most places (though I could upload to MyDrive [Google] if anyone was interested in comparing)?

Anyway, here it is on You Tube and PicoSong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi9Q8aXkpIo

http://picosong.com/g6x6

Many thanks,

Paul

Hello PepperPig,

Thanks for your pointers.

I had a look as you kindly suggested but I was not able to locate it. Though more than likely I may have done something incorrectly!

Please see screenshot result below:


Many thanks,

Paul

It looks like ModMachine isn’t included with Cubase Artist - I wonder what freebe alternatives are available?

PepperPig,

Thanks for confirming that. I thought I was going mad!

Paul

"Funky Slap Back" - dedicated to Mark Warren, London, UK (Seaman - 2015).

Rockin’ out on the MULTIMOOG with MXR DELAY set to produce a SLAP BACK FX.

The SPEED is so fast that it sounds almost like double-tracking/chorus!

Performed in 1 x pass with exception to the INTRO and ENDING (which use a slightly different PATCH), and the PORTAMENTO FX (midway point OVERDUB) which uses a very LONG DELAY (time).

'Twas a bugger to try and play! :open_mouth:

It is uploaded to both You Tube and PicoSong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZ99fWF81s&feature=youtu.be)

http://picosong.com/gQ6g

Cheers,

Paul

Hello,

Here is an example of the artifacts on the MultiMoog with the MXR CC DELAY pedal.

I play a few notes in three different registers without the MXR, and then the same pattern again (more or less) with the MXR turned ON. The HIGHER I play, the MORE the artifacts become present.

I watched a couple of You Tube videos (of guitarists) and they both raved about how pure and clean the MXR delay FEEDBACK’s were (ie the reproduction tone was unaffected).

I uploaded the demo to PicoSound:

http://picosong.com/gQhs

Much appreciated,

Paul

Just looked up the MXR carbon copy it’s just a simple up to 600ms delay - any Cubase Artist ones will be far better. monodelay, pingpong delay, StereoDelay - just type “delay” in the same searchbox you used before. If you want to make it sound a bit more analog just insert Magneto ahead of the delay to “soften” the sound a but. Quadrafuzz V2 also has its own built in delay so you can emulate old tapedelays. All of these are available in Cubase Artist.

If you want a pure artifact free delay the standard Cubase ones will give you exactly that. VST Amp rack also has delay pedals available.

PepperPig,

Yes that’s right, up to 600ms on the MXR.

Just seems to be an issue in the HIGH END on the MOOG. It is fine on my RHODES piano.

I will have a nose for the others (above) you kindly recommend.

So in other words, you think the CUBASE FX will produce much better results (than the MXR).

Much appreciated,

Paul

So it sounds like you are struggling with the difference between line and instrument level on your outboard gear. Here is a quicky explanation.
http://www.ovnilab.com/articles/linelevel.shtml

Keep in mind that your Carbon Copy is designed to work with low/instrument output devices (guitar) and that your Moog is an EXTREMELY hi output/line level device. What you typically need to do is really dial the moog output way down then feed the output of the carbon copy into a pre-amp/amp to get it back up to line level. Your Rhodes works because it has an instrument out.

When you describe the “high end” problem, it’s hard to tell if you are getting that due to clipping, or because of the normal frequency range of the carbon copy (again it’s made for a guitar). A Rhodes, even though it has a higher register than a guitar, is already greatly reduced high frequency content. Your Moog is sending tremendously more high frequency information at a much higher level.