Recently discovered Intel CPUs processor design flaw

Ditto. And is there a way to limit the patch update on my W10 Pro system to security patches only - excluding MS from slipping in things like Fall Creators Edition?

I’m still looking for definite recommendations, but as far as I currently understand it I’m not sure that a simple OS patch solves the vulnerability. A firmware/microcode update may be necessary via a BIOS update or whatever, and that could make additional performance losses happen.

Also discussed on GerarSlutz, if anyone cares.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1195758-intel-cpus-have-major-security-flaw-fixing-causes-huge-performance-hit.html

For Win 10, It’s called KB4056892. For Win 7 it’s called KB4056897.

Thanks!

However I don’t know the result of installing the Win 10 update manually from the Microsoft Catalog page. My Cumulative Win 10 KB4056892 was installed automatically on my Win 10 Creators Edition with automatic updates. If you’ve turned off updates completely, you’d probably want the Delta edition from the Microsoft Catalog page but I’m not really sure, maybe someone else does.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056892/windows-10-update-kb4056892

If you’re not using automatic updates in Win 10, there are different update/patch versions for earlier versions of Win 10:

(from https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/7o5pzk/meta_microsoft_is_rolling_out_an_emergency_patch/) :

Microsoft is rolling out updates automatically (you will automatically receive the update soon via Windows Update)

but you can manually download the update now if you want to:

1709: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056892
1703: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb4056891
1607: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056890
1511: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056888
1507: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4056893

Update any anti-virus software you are using before installing the security patches from Microsoft

In Win10, to see which version you are running, type winver in a command prompt

The OS patch will only protect against Meltdown. You will need a BIOS update to protect against Spectre.

I read a report that the MS patch is preventing boot up on AMD machines, and so MS has withdrawn the W10 patch for machines running AMD.

This was over at the gearslutz thread (in the “Music Computer” section), I can’t swear to it’s veracity, but figured it was worth mentioning …

MS has issued an official statement on it. It affects older AMD CPUs as far as I know, not the latest generation. MS shouldn’t patch for AMD CPUs to begin with until it’s known they’ve been “hacked” as well.

https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/microsoftsecure/2018/01/09/understanding-the-performance-impact-of-spectre-and-meltdown-mitigations-on-windows-systems/

Some more real info.

Great link, just not the content :open_mouth:

Having a Xeon E3-1231v3 system the outlook with the patch in regards of performance loss is concerning!

I read already in another forum about significant performance loss on Win7 system witn such a CPU when using VM…

May Intel spend me some dollars for a decent AMD system?! :imp:

Also wondering if Steinberg wants to comment on the mess Intel made?!

Well, so far I haven’t really seen any reports of decreased performance by DAW users, with the exception of someone essentially getting a broken system after an update. But that’s a bit of a different issue I think.

Anyway, I doubt they feel it necessary to spend the time to test it right now, and I’d be inclined to agree with that. It’d be more valuable if a company such as Scan audio ran benchmarks again since they’ve run through DAWbench on a bunch of different CPUs and could then provide a more specific picture of any degradation.

It’s to early to predict, all I can say is I have not run into performance problems after the patch, and the cpu utilization looks the same. But none of the projects I work on right now are that big that it would matter.
Time will tell, I’m holding off buying a new computer right now till there are more facts/benchmarks on the table.

Too optimistic standpoint, I’m afraid.

Reading the latest details in the German Heise.de website, performance degradation is already mentioned to be @20% !
Where forum users report even with Xeon v6 CPU -40%!

The performance degradation is all about the specific task you are using your computer for. Many Xeon CPUs sits in servers that have to read large databases and such, those will be affected quite a bit. Normal desktop applications such as gaming, DAW, office and such will not suffer any noticeable difference, at least with a newer CPU generation from Skylake and forward.

https://betanews.com/2018/01/11/intel-meltdown-patch-benchmarks/

The DAW workload with high track counts is similar to the database workload, which is one with a high number of IO syscalls. The mitigating factor is that, in 2018, a SSD “crippled” by the Intel chip workarounds can still easily read data at a rate required by the DAW for even the largest track counts. I think at this point we can safely say that the workarounds’ performance degradation, in audio environments where its seen, is more of an annoyance than anything else. No one wants to see SSD performance cut by 30%, even if it’s still more than enough for any DAW workload.

-E

I have to disagree with you on that. DAW workload is no near the workload of accessing a database. This is also why most users in this forum says they cannot see any noticeable performance degradation.
For the SSD, yes you are partially correct, but not with a typically DAW workload. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-meltdown-patch-storage-performance,36236.html
As they also say, the largest performance degradation is with random write performance and that’s not a typically DAW workload, as when you record it’s sequential write, not random write.
When you scroll down a little more, you will see some real world bench with gaming, office and media creation all showing no difference at all.

I agree it’s annoying to know that your hardware performe worse with the update, but for normal usage the difference is too small to notice.

As someone who works in both fields, I can tell you categorically this is not the case. If you have any evidence to support your claim, I’d love to see it.