In case the Cubase development team is watching these forums…I just wanted to share what I’m pretty sure at this point will become my workflow for the foreseeable future. Recording in Cubase, then exporting and mixing in Logic X.
Although not super convenient…the reason I have decided this will be my best workflow is the following:
Logic X can distribute plugin load to multiple cores much better
Logic X lets you hear your real-time mixdown by default, without having to setup Studio. I have an Apollo Console so I dont need Studio.
Logic X bounce-in-place include external hardware inserts <— my bad Cubase allows you to do this
Logic X has better way to integrate external hardware…examples:
(-I have a patchbay of 32 channels of external hardware normalled to my interface I/O. When recording I insert into these channels. However Cubase doesn’t allow you to have I/O for both recording and external FX. They dont even allow you to save External FX routing.
-If I have a pair of 1176s, Cubase makes me decide to use these either as a pair or 2 mono. Sometimes in a mix I will use 2 1176s on 2 different sources, or both to effect a stereo track… Logic X lets me do either on the fly.
-Mono to Stereo devices like many of the old reverbs are not handled very easily with Cubase External FX. You have to create a group to apply this on a mono source etc.
-There is no MIX knob on the external FX insert plugin. Really cool for applying distortions or other effects in parralel within the channel)
Logic X has much better/easier way (in my opinion) to create track stacks (their version of groups)
Logic X has a better way of turning a mono track into stereo. (90% of the time I want my mono tracks to stay mono. But occasionally I want to add some stereo effect to the insert then apply further shaping plugins. Logic X handles this within the channel, while Cubase you need to create a new group)
I should also mention I recently have incorporated a Console 1 into my setup. And although Cubase might be integrated more with that device in the near future, most of the items on this list are a show stopper for me. Until Cubase has them I dont see myself being able to mix with it.
Logic X in my opinion is a totally unreliable and crappy recording software which I feel is not professional enough for my studio compared to Cubase. However for mixing it seems like it will be my choice for now.
I think you’ll find a lot of the professional people use Pro Tools or Logic.
But. if you’re at home working in the box Cubase is an OK software to use.
Yeh part of me sometimes thinks I should of gone the Pro Tools route…but having already owned Cubase 6 the upgrade for that was much more attractive. Plus I already know Cubase…i think it’s real close for me…but maybe by Cubase 10 it will have a few more of those pro-features.
And just to add #7 to the list I guess would be the Varispeed control from Logic X. Although usually more beneficial to use this just before tracking vocals… it is really nice sometimes to take entire tracks up or down a few semi-tones. Can totally make/change the vibe of a song in some cases.
I recently started using Folders more in Cubase and it makes life a little easier not having Logic X ‘track stacks’.
BUT… my last complaint I forgot to include is #8!
The option of Dual Mono for a plugin on a stereo track.
To me that is a game changer and really can make a difference. Logic X recently included this and it is awesome. Some plugins may already have this built-in to them, but typically they do not…when it comes to compression it really helps me to get 1 step closer to an Analog Sound in certain situations and implement the plugin in dual mono.
Maybe you’re right…which is why the workflow doesn’t seem to be good for me.
Don’t get me wrong I do have analog synths in my studio (Jupiter 8, Juno 106, SH-09, RS-09, MS-20, PE-1000, MG-1, DX7 etc) … but I use an old vintage mixer to sum down to a stereo channel, and occasionally i’ll bypass this and just go direct with a synth. Usually I am playing the synths by hand occasionally ill trigger the Juno 106 or SH-09 via MIDI. The Jupiter doesn’t have it unfortunatley.
But I’d much rather have quick use of my hardware during mixing. To me that is much more convinent to be able to patch in via plugin insert. Such as patching a 1176 or LA-2A or DBX 165a or LA3A etc…(not the UAD plugins, the real things)
Are you talking about the Dual Mono thing? Can you elaborate?
I mean I know everything can be done one way or another via Cubase routing. But I am asking for a elegant solution. In Logix X if you load a plugin in Dual Mono for a stereo channel you get 1 window screen where you can toggle back and forth between L and R channels. Its very nice.
Yet for mixing, it doesn’t bother you that if you use latent plugins on your audio track inserts, Logic can not automate in time? Any track that has a latent plugin anywhere, logic’s automation for any effect on that track will be out of time by the latent plugin delay time.
Or, what about the effects buffer issue? Reverb tails coming out of nowhere when the cursor is over silence, phantom notes from AU instruments - and all will be bounced in the mix unless you use workarounds.
After 20 years with Logic those are the two reasons I left… it makes mixing an absolute chore… I never had any issues composing in Logic but audio editing and mixing is horrible in general (IMHO).
Pretty sure that there are as many professional Cubase users as Logic users if not more as Logic is MAC only.
To name just a few: Hans Zimmer, Joey Sturgis, Joel Wannasek.
I have up Logic becasue I way, way prefer mixing in Cubase Pro 9.5
Maybe it’s my age (55) but I come from a background of large format analog mixing desks and Cubase
now having decent DCA’s in the mixer makes me able to do complex mixes so easily.
Mixing in Logic X is a huge PITA for me - plus I don’t have an afternoon to wait for the solo to become active - when will Apple up date that 90’s audio engine!
I used to compose in Logic, but I’ve now moved over to Cubase and Dorico.
The only environment I prefer mixing in is Pro Tools HD - but as I don;t like composing in ~PT - thankfully today Cubase can comfortably cover both bases.
you are spot on in every point… Now that Cubase has mixer undo though i think it even has the edge on PT… though mixing in PT is indeed very enjoyable… Cubase’s mixer is way ahead of Logic’s in almost every way. You are not alone! I am 45, started with logic at 23 I think I was, I did have an analog desk (mackie 32.8) which was a great home studio desk at the time, and i tracked it into an echo layla 8 channels at a time. Use a rode classic mic. But still, i started all this in the digital age as I’ve always recorded to a DAW and composed in the DAW… so it’s not just an age thing…Cubase is simply better than Logic. I really find the OP’s post hard to understand cause Logic’s weakest link IS mixing, with it’s pathetic PDC problems and the effects buffer issue… Also the mixer is still not even accurate to the 0.1DB except for a few levels below 0db…
But the worst part is, even if you take all else of what i said away, Logic has a horrendous delay in it’s audio engine… UNLIKE Cubase, it is not realtime for any clip movement or gain changes on clips, there is a 3 to 5 second delay for anything, including pitch change/clip gain/delete a clip/move a clip/copy-paste clip/PDC plugin value changes on the fly
Perhaps the OP really hasn’t hit Logic hard enough yet to realise the grass is not greener on the other side.
