Rehearsal marks colliding with headers

[dylletron]

I have this problem with rehearsal marks colliding with the headers. Is there a toggle i don’t know about to avoids this behavior? I would prefer not to have to manually fix it in parts.

Regards

Jacob

[jesele]

You could try to increase the Music Frame Top Margin under Library->Layout Options->Page Setup, but that will be for all pages. Alternatively, lower the top of the music frame on the page in Engrave mode.

Jesper

[charles_piano]

You won’t find an automatic way to avoid this. The top and bottom staves of a frame are “locked”, regardless of the content above/below them.

Their place is defined in the page by the frame itself, and in the frame by the frame margins. The top frame margin is the space between the top line of the top staff and the frame, and the bottom frame margin is the opposite. Regardless of the content:

Beat me to it @jesele

[jesele]

@charles_piano

Beat me to it

My turn.

Jesper

[dylletron]

Ah i see. I hoped for something automatic. I don’t really get why rehearsal marks aren’t pushing the systems down though, maybe something for a future update?

[Janus]

@dylletron

I don’t really get why rehearsal marks aren’t pushing the systems down though,

I’ve probably got the technical details wrong, but AFAIK Dorico needs to start its calculations somewhere. Otherwise it ends up in an infinite loop.

[charles_piano]

@dylletron

I don’t really get why rehearsal marks aren’t pushing the systems down though

This is actually by design:

@dspreadbury

This is by design, to ensure a consistent position for the top line of the top staff of the top system and (subject to vertical justification) the bottom line of the bottom staff of the bottom system from page to page.

@Lillie_Harris

This ensures consistent positioning of staves/systems,

@dylletron

maybe something for a future update?

It has been requested here several times and the team know it

Text above first system on a page

Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago: we’re not actively working on changes in this area, but it would certainly be possible for us to add options that would cause the top and bottom systems to “push” against the frame margins, and perhaps this is something we’ll be able to look at in the next development cycle. I can’t make any promises at this stage, however.

[dylletron]

I see, thank for the detailed response!

I still find it a little odd that there is no way to change the behavior. I mean of course you get staff consistentcy but you end up with a horrible unusable collission with a rehearsal mark…

[charles_piano]

I for one use template changes when this happens:

(here a Default Template with the frame top lowered, which I apply when needed).

[Zalde]

@charles_piano

This is actually by design:

While I understand OP’s request I am actually quite happy with this design. Consistently positioning top and bottom staves in Finale could be excruciating.

@dylletron if in your work these collisions are the exception, you could also use the Staff spacing tool in Engrave mode to push the top staff down when this happens.

If you find this occurs a lot, a custom page template like @charles_piano suggests is indeed a very efficient solution (you only have to set that up once).

[dylletron]

Thank you for the suggestions!

It’s still manual fixes though, and not really what i was hoping for

[benwiggy]

These days, we’re used to much smaller margins than were used in traditional printing processes, which provided more headroom for “high-flying fruit”, or whatever the name is for stuff that extends off the staff.