Hey everybody -
I’m using Cubase Pro 13 and noticed that when I am rendering a track in place which is routed to a group track the processing from the group track also gets printed to the rendered track. I have it set at “channel settings” and not “path and FX”. Is it supposed to work this way? If so, what is the difference between rendering with channel settings only vs complete signal path? Is there a way to render the audio with the channel inserts active but not the group?
Thanks
Brady
Hello,
it is supposed to work as you expect.
Forgive a blunt question but have you changed the routing of the track that the rendered audio is on? Or switched of the effects of the group?
Yes - If I switch off the group inserts the rendered audio is as expected. In this context I’ve got an amp sim on a guitar DI track which is clean without any delay or reverb. The guitar DI track is routed to a group track which had reverb on it. Once rendered, the printed audio had reverb. The rendered audio was routed directly to stereo out.
If I disable the reverb on the group track, the rendered audio does not have reverb on it.
It seems that the rendering is not working as I expect it should - I wonder if this is a bug?
Brady
I meant to ask if you switch off the group effects after rendering? Because by deafult the rendered track will be routed through the group.
Hey again - as I stated in the last post the rendered track was routed through the stereo outs. It doesn’t seem to be routing them through the group by default on my system.
Could you post some screenshot please, to get sure we talk about the same settings?
But you’re calling it render in place…in which case it’s the same track with the same routing?
Sure - Just at work now but I’ll post either this evening or tomorrow. I’m pretty sure it’s not just a simple thing I’ve overlooked in the dialog but I’ll definitely post some screenshots. I’ve attached a pic of the dialog which I found online - (the pic below is NOT from my session, it’s from google images). I have MY dialog set as follows:
MODE - as one event
PROCESSING - Channel settings
Tail mode off
Bit depth 32 bit float
Mix down to one audio file is checked
Source event settings - Mute source events
When I render in place it mutes the original source track and creates a new track with the rendered audio. The new audio track is routed to stereo outs by default.
Ah yes…sorry been working with multiple DAWs…forgot Cubase render in place isn’t really in place.
But that aside, what it does always do is create the same routing as your original track on the rendered track so are you absolutely sure it’s not still routed to the reverb??
Oh, must be a C13 thing then. I am still on Cubase 12 and there the routing of the new track goes to the group automatically.
In that case I would suggest to start Cubase without the user preferences in order to see if the problem stems from there.
When starting Cubase hold Ctrl + Alt + Shift on PC / Cmd + Opt + Shift on Mac. Select to disable user preferences.
I will have a look into this later this evening.
Hey everybody - sorry for the delay but I moved on to another project and am just coming back to this issue now.
The issue is not fixed but I have a little more insight now. First of all - I am seeing now that RIP still renders the file as a stereo file if the track the event is on is routed to a stereo output, even if the track or event is mono. This is actually the case also if any of the sends are going to a stereo track, even if they are not activated and even if the RIP settings are “channel settings” and not the rest of the chain. Interestingly it also prints any effects on the SENDS to the destination audio track EVEN IF THE SEND CHANNEL IS NOT ROUTED TO THE SAME BUS AS THE SOURCE TRACK (?!!!)
Here are my current settings for a recap:
In addition to the above, I have determined that ALL groups (and SENDS(!!)) between my source and the stereo out (including the stereo out itself) are being rendered to the destination audio. It effectively looks as if Cubase is rendering as if I have selected “complete signal path + master FX” even though I have selected “channel settings”.
Ok so interestingly I disabled preferences and now am unable to get ANY audio rendered. I can hear the audio as expected if I solo the track but when I choose ‘render in place’ the resulting audio is blank. I’ve tried even routing the track directly to the stereo outs but even then, I only get a blank event rendered.
I think I see what is going on. It is the option “Mix Down to One Audio File”.
This is only available when you have events/parts on different tracks selected. They need to get mixed somehow and Cubase uses the tracks routing (through the group) in order to do that.
Furthermore the resulting track is routed to Stereo Out (resp. the main output bus).
I am not sure whether this is by design by Steinberg or an unwanted behaviour.
Workaround: switch off “mix down to one file”.
Tried that and the same issue happens. It seems as though the DAW thinks something else is selected even though there isn’t. I realized that this issue only seems to happen in some sessions which I have built with a certain template. If I create a new session with the same template however it seems to work fine. Some of the weirdnesses in this particular template include multiple tracks being solo safed (although none of the involved tracks are) as well as some tracks being routed to multiple destinations through direct routing (ie shift click). Again - the multiple routing is not active on any of the tracks involved, however they have been routed to multiple destinations at some point previously in the project.
Still trying to figure out what the sina qua non is here…
After reading some other posts on the forums my session seems to be acting up related to the multiple direct routing outputs however it seems weird that it is happening even without the multiple direct outs being setup on the relevant tracks. I’ll have to experiment a bit but perhaps Cubase thinks something is still routed to multiple outputs even when it is not for some reason.
I apologize if I have missed something, but to me it seems like what you are getting is what is described in the (Nuendo) manual.
It says clearly that everything up to (but not including) the panner before the output bus is included. So your send effects are included. That’s what it looks like to me.
No, because that would additionally include the panning embedded into the new audio plus any effects on the actual output bus.
Am I missing something?
Based on what you posted and what it states in the manual it does seem like the group effects would be expected to be rendered however in this case it was also rendering panning and stereo insert effects. I have also been able to get render in place to work as I expect it to (where the group insert effects do NOT get rendered to the resulting audio) in a blank session. As some of the folks state above - it’s supposed to render the track audio with any inserts on the track and then create a new audio track with the same routing as the previous one. Something is causing my session to go a bit screwy and I think it seems to be related to how Cubase manages RIP on tracks with multiple direct outputs. Unfortunately I haven’t yet been able to sort out the exact issue yet or reproduce it in a blank session.
