As you can see from the screen shot I am attaching that I need to create a somewhat unusaul measure in m. 41 in Fr,.Horn, Glock. and Perc. 1 & 2. I need a measure that has nothing but rests in the measure and they need to be a half rest followed by a Quarter rest (with a fermata on beat 3) followed by the quarter note pick-up note on beat 4. I don’t know how to create a measure of all rests.
Any help appreciated.
Thank you.
You will need to use Force Duration for this, as follows.
Double-click in the measure for one instrument (eg Horn, Glock,or Perc)
Press these keys in this sequence
O (letter O, not zero)
7
, (comma)
Y
6
Y
Y
Click on the rest where you want to input a fermata and press shift-H followed by fer , then press Enter
Select the whole measure (including the fermata), copy, paste into the other instruments.
Steven,
I need a little more info. to get this going. I assume I need to be in Write Mode and then do I bring up the carat by pressing Shift N or do I just click the whole rest in the measure. I tried that and nothing happened when I attempted to type in the sequence you sent.
Thanks so much. Still trying to figure a lot out about Dorico after 30+ years with Finale.
Gary
Yes, in Write mode.
The double-click is to activate the caret (make sure that it is positioned on the first beat), which can also be achieved by selecting the whole rest and pressing shift-N.
So sorry I am so dense here. I got the carat fine, then when I typed Shift O I got the trill popover, then I typed 7 then comma then Shift Y then 6 then Shift Y twice to make the letters uppercase. When I hit return the popover disappeared but the measure still had the whole rest. Then I tried clicking the O without the shift key nothing happened.
Thanks for your patience with me.
Gary
Maybe I should have explicitly mentioned “without the shift key”. I assumed the the other way, that unless it explicitly mentions “with” or “shift” then just press the letter key by itself. Sorry for the confusion.
Just another thought, if you use pitch before duration.
When inputting notes, I have only ever used Dorico’s default of duration before pitch. If pitch before duration is used, I don’t know whether it will work the same.
That may be my problem. I do use pitch before duration and had the selected. Let me try again with pitch before duration unselected.
Thanks.
Gary
Also, lowercase for the O’s and the Y’s.
Making progress. See the Glock. part and you will see I got 4 quarter rests, which will actually work but is there a way to make the first 2 quarter rests into a half rest?
Thanks.
Try selecting that rest, then press letter O followed by 7. Pressing letter O might not be necessary.
Got it. I just figured out the problem. I had reset the numerical keys for rhythm a couple weeks ago so that the 6 is the half note instead of the number 7 which is Dorico default. When I substituted the different number keys for the 7 and the 6 things came out perfect.
Thanks for your help very much. I have not taken notes and put them in my notebook so I should not run into this problem again.
Gary
Great! I knew we would get there eventually.
You have spent enough time with me so please don’t go any further but I still have an issue with the Perc. 1 part I guess because it is Snare Drum and Bass Drum combined into a drum kit. When I try to copy and paste one of the now correct measures into the perc. 1 measure it will not copy and clicking the whole rest in that measure and trying your key combo won’t work either. I am guessing it’s because I am using the kit there and it doesn’t know how to handle that scenario. I will keep playing with it.
My experience with percussion in Dorico is extremely limited, so I will leave this for other more knowledgeable users to help you with. I do know that drum kits are handled somewhat differently than other instruments.
Thanks so much, Steven. You have been an enormous help.
(At the risk of upsetting you…)
Why are you wanting to do this?
The exact beat location of the pause is meaningless for those players. And you seem happy to accept a different notation for (eg) sax2, trp2/3 and Tuba.
I beg to differ. In general, I think it’s useful for players to know exactly where a fermata occurs; in this particular case, showing the rest on the third beat lets those players know that there is a pickup into the next bar, making it easier for them to follow the conductor.
It’s also important to show that fourth quarter if that’s what the Allegretto tempo marking is aligned with. Otherwise, it’s just hanging off the end of the bar.
I do agree with you that I would use the same half/quarter/quarter notation in the instruments that currently have just a dotted quarter with a fermata, so that what they see on the page also matches what the conductor is doing.
I have to agree with Asherber on this one. With just the whole rest with fermata it is implied that the next down-beat the conductor executes would be on beat 1 of the next measure. The quarter rest following the fermata is the only way all players realize there is one more beat in the measure to be conducted. Now all I have tro do isa figure out how to make the measures look like I want them to within the drum kit setting. I got help figuring it out for the winds but it seems creating the same thing in the Perc. 1 and Perx. 2 may be more of a challenge.
If anyone knows how I can do this it will be greatly appreciated.
Gary
Or just put the caret on the third beat and type O,6Y
(O for Force Duration, comma for rest input, 6 for a quarter and Y for a default pitch, though any letter A-G would work too.)
