# Rickenbacker like The Byrds **URL:** \ **Category:** Steinberg Lounge\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508 "2021-02-25T19:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/1 "2021-02-25T19:36:32Z")
In the coming weeks I hope to have my Rickenbacker 330/12 delivered. I’m really looking forward to it! I’m mainly going to use it for recording in Cubase. I want my 12 string to sound like Roger McQuinn’s guitar in the sixties’ Byrds. I use Guitar Rig and Amplitube. Any tips, tricks or suggestions to get that that jingle-jangle sound? ---
**Author:** ![BuckleBean](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/bucklebean/32/140177_2.png) [@BuckleBean](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/BuckleBean)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/2 "2021-02-25T20:23:21Z")
I’m not sure there’s anything Cubase-specific I can suggest. My first thought would be to try out one of the Vox emulations in Amplitube, which might get you there. Might be worth looking here for more: [Roger McGuinn's Rickenbackers: Chasing the Byrds | Reverb News](https://reverb.com/news/roger-mcguinns-rickenbackers-chasing-the-byrds-frontmans-flock-of-ricks) > **[Roger McGuinn | Equipboard](https://equipboard.com/pros/roger-mcguinn)** > > Roger McGuinn's gear and equipment including the Rickenbacker 360/12 12-String Electric Guitar and Martin Limited Edition D12-42RM Roger McGuinn 12-String guitar. Get the gear to sound like Roger McGuinn and get their tone. > **[That Byrds Sound](https://www.harmonycentral.com/forums/topic/1911395-that-byrds-sound/)** > > Don't hear that sound on record much anymore and it was a great one IMO. I know about the McGuinn and his twelve string Rickenbacker, but don't know what amps and other guitars were used. Really like the lead tone on this one:... ---
**Author:** ![Nico5](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/nico5/32/92492_2.png) [@Nico5](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Nico5)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/3 "2021-02-25T20:45:39Z")
From what I recall reading some time ago, one of the key ingredients of his sound was a specific compressor: [https://www.janglebox.com/](https://www.janglebox.com/) And if memory serves me right, he had the circuitry installed right into his Rick, rather than using a stomp box - but that shouldn’t make a sonic difference in itself. However I’ve never seen a VST plugin that emulates the JangleBox compressor out of the box). Supposedly there’s a free MaxForLive emulation. So it might be an exercise to use a good compressor plugin and then start experimenting with settings that boost some of the upper frequencies. Or get the real thing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/4 "2021-02-25T21:00:25Z")
Thanks BuckleBean, I’ll dive into it! ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/5 "2021-02-25T21:54:48Z")
Nico5, I’ve read about that before. His amp and guitar were ‘special’. ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/6 "2021-02-25T21:58:09Z")
Compression and ‘lots of high’ … I’ll see what the Max can achieve! Thanks ---
**Author:** ![ADRIAN\_DIX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@ADRIAN\_DIX](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ADRIAN_DIX)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/7 "2021-02-27T10:19:31Z")
Use a proper amp not software (Software never gets the guitar tone input correct) Use a Janglebox There is a McGuinn Rickenbacker with a Janglebox in it (370/12) He used to use a Marshall (clean) amp and a 4 x 12 Also Pyramid Gold Flatwound strings. I know this becuase i asked him about 10 years ago ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/8 "2021-02-27T10:28:33Z")
Good advice, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/9 "2021-02-27T10:35:49Z")
Thanks Adrian, I’m afraid I’ll have to stick to software. I’m quite happy with what Amplitube has to offer. Paying around with a few presets got me e.g. a great Robert Fripp ‘Starless’ sound. Besides, I want to stay friendly with my neighbours. Maybe finding out about the what the janglebox does and using flatwounds will help me further on the way. ---
**Author:** ![djangodeadman](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/djangodeadman/32/20_2.png) [@djangodeadman](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/djangodeadman)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/10 "2021-02-27T14:37:56Z")
I’m sure I read somewhere that he used to record straight into the desk, through two LA 2A compressors. Edit: This would seem to be confirmed if you look at the second link posted above. ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/11 "2021-02-27T16:40:54Z")
I saw it, yes. Wasn’t that the way in the sixties? ---
**Author:** ![ADRIAN\_DIX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@ADRIAN\_DIX](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ADRIAN_DIX)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/12 "2021-05-02T07:38:37Z")
Bit late but, yes in the studio he went straight into the desk. Also in a studio we got the same tone using a hand made electric 12 string where the engineer just compressed it to death. It really is a fine art to play because of all the noise that comes with it. Try the new Jangle box it maybe better now. ---
**Author:** ![Sibben](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/sibben/32/148006_2.png) [@Sibben](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Sibben)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/13 "2021-05-02T14:20:30Z")
How did you get the Starless tone if you don’t mind sharing? Love that sound! 🙏 ---
**Author:** ![ProfRick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@ProfRick](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ProfRick)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/14 "2021-05-04T23:33:51Z")
Howdy - I saw the “McGuinn” light go on when I got the “Vocal King Pro” plugin. Try KVR for download. You’ll freak! Also, on my Rick, I replaced my pickups with 60’s “Toaster” style, it made a big difference. Got them someplace near Milwaukee, reasonable. Have fun!! The Prof ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/15 "2021-05-21T15:56:23Z")
Sorry for replying so late I’ll get back to you soon! ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/16 "2021-05-21T15:59:43Z")
Sorry for my late reply … I’ll see what KVR has got to offer. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/17 "2021-05-22T12:08:03Z")
Hi Sibben, Once again sorry it took me so long. The Starless tone: it’s not exactly Fripp’s sound, but for me it was close enough. Long sustain, warm sound. I use the ‘Extreme’ presets in Amplitube 4, putting middle, treble and presence on 0. Using a pick produces some noise. I solved that problem (for the bigger part) by dividing the notes in sections of 1, 2 or 3 bars and playing them on separate channels in Cubase. E.g. bar 1 and 2 on Channel A, and bar 3 and 4 on Channel B. This gives you a chance to have a long ‘undisturbed’ sustain. When I’m finished, I start cutting and dragging and put everything together. As soon as it’s mixed with drums, bass and preferably mellotron … I get the Crimson feel. ---
**Author:** ![Sibben](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/sibben/32/148006_2.png) [@Sibben](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Sibben)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/18 "2021-05-22T22:11:17Z")
Thanks Karel! ---
**Author:** ![SF\_Green](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/sf_green/32/735_2.png) [@SF\_Green](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/SF_Green)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/19 "2021-05-23T02:10:57Z")
> [@Nico5](#): > > rom what I recall reading some time ago, one of the key ingredients of his sound was a specific compressor: [https://www.janglebox.com/](https://www.janglebox.com/) This is correct (Janglebox). Your Ric will come with the modern pickups. You could consider swapping them out for the vintage style ‘toaster’ pickups. Consider replacing the standard bridge (6 saddle) on the 330/12 with a 12 saddle bridge. Gives better adjustment to get good intonation with the big difference in string gauge of each pair. Have this done at a good guitar shop and have them do a setup for you. ---
**Author:** ![Karel\_Vervest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Karel\_Vervest](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Karel_Vervest)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508/20 "2021-05-23T11:59:02Z")
Thanks for your advice. Guitar has only just arrived, so I’m trying out a lot of things. Intonation / tuning is not the easiest thing to do. The Janglebox is something that’s often mentioned, but I don’t think it’s available as a pl.ugin. I mainly use the Rick for recording in Cubase … and … I’d like to stay friendly with the neighbours. ‘Profrick’ (see above) advised the “Vocal King Pro” plugin. I downloaded it (free) and there’s a whole lot of jingle-jangle going on!! [Next page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/rickenbacker-like-the-byrds/699508.md?page=2)