Score editor vs key editor tuplet display

New to Cubase. I have written several pieces in Dorico, and have some knowledge of that system.

I imported a midi file into Cubase. While going through the score of a cello part, I see very odd scoring for 4:3 tuplets, though when I look at the key editor, the timing appears almost correct.

I tried to correct the score, but was unable to get the tuplet function to work as desired – and there is no description in the Score Editor manual.

I think I get it that the key editor is showing me what Cubase is going to play, but it drives me crazy that the score editor is showing something different.

Is there a way to reconcile these views?

Hi,

Double-check thr Display-Quantize settings.

Hi,

if you want to override the 1/16 notation, use at this position the Display Quantize with Fixed and Unit = 1/4T .

Edit: Oh no, that doesn’t work. You are correct.
I think there is something missing for a 3/4 time signature or generally for a tuplet 4 over 3.

Although the tuplet 4 over 3 can be notated in 1/16 note values, but it then doesn’t show the tuplet.

best regards

Hi,

Sorry, I don’t see the triplets in the Key Editor view. These are 3x1/16 length notes, arn’t they?

Having a 3/4 bar filled with four notes equal in length that are three sixteenths long each is the same (in terms of sound) as having a 3/4 bar with a 4:3 tuplet over the entire bar, with four quarters per bar. In this case because it is rhythmically a very simple example with the four notes only, there are two different ways of notating the passage and they both sound completely identical, so Cubase is choosing the one without the tuplet.

Can you attach a cut down version of the project that shows the issue?

Thank you for the replies. The imported midi file was initially scored in Sibelius, imported successfully to Dorico via musicxml for arranging, and then imported to Cubase via midi (oh how I miss xml). The two bars with 4:3 tuplets appear correctly in Dorico.

I can understand that Cubase would interpret these as 4 x 3/16 notes, though I’d prefer to see the tuplet in the score. I will try the Display Quant function. As noted, I am very new to Cubase.

There are two things that bother me here: 1) the 1/16 rest in the score, and, 2)the fact that the key editor shows the tuplet notes are not quite as long as they should be.

Happy to upload a cut down version of this project – how much would you like, and in what form?

If you can delete all tracks apart from the one with the problem then that’s very useful. Or if you prefer you can DM me the full project.

Madison midi import reduced.cpr (358.8 KB)

This should work . . .

Thanks for sending that on. I misread your post initially as I was thinking it was a triplet rather than 4:3 tuplet. As you are probably aware, MIDI unfortunately doesn’t have any representation of tuplets, so the positions are indistinguishable from 3/16 notes. So the quantizer can’t do anything to detect those tuplet structures (well, technically the quantization engine can, but this would require a lot of custom UI to be able to set the options. one day perhaps…)

I have found a workaround that will let you add the 4-tuplets into the score, though it’s a few steps:

  • Create a new empty track
  • In the Score editor add a quarter note
  • Press the arrow tool (or press ‘1’) to exit note creation and leave the note selected
  • In the tuplet dropdown select 4:3 and press the tuplet button. Result:

Now you can copy and paste this into your track. Note that in Cubase, things get pasted at the position of the playback line and you have to tell it that you want the track to be the active one:

  • Double click the first note in bar 33 (I think this is required to make it the active track)
  • Press ‘L’ to move the playback line to this position
  • Ctrl-V to paste. Result:

Hi Paul,

wow, nice trick, klappt.

best regards

LOL, I didn’t know any of this – new to midi and Cubase both.

That’s a fine workaround. for me.

Mainly, if I change something in Cubase, I don’t want to be required to go back to Dorico and make changes.

Thanks!

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