Send vs. Insert

On my recordings, for the most part :-

the Nord is recorded as Audio, the Roland XV5050 as Audio, and the remainder of the sounds are generated from HALion Sonic and the Cubase Artist 6 SYNTH inclusive plug-ins such as the Prologue.

But even if the expert was not able to atcually listen to the Audio aspect of the track, would all the SEND and INSERT routings not be visible to analize ??

I think so, I never open projects with plugins I don’t have because I can’t create projects like that :stuck_out_tongue:

Does this site accept Cubase files, or do i have to send them to an individual member PM or email address ??

Looks like it :slight_smile:
thisisnotacpr.cpr (6 Bytes)
Note that just the CPR is not enough if you want the audiofiles included. To be safe, use backup project in Cubase, backup to a separate folder. Zip that folder and upload it. That’s probably too big to use as an attachment, so you’ll have to upload it somewhere else to host it for you. If you have dropbox or something like it that’s fine, you can also use wetransfer to email big files.

Regarding the wetransfer, do need the recipent(s) email address and then wetransfer will send them a link to were they can download the files (which i believe are stored for two weeks) ??

i will have a look at the Back-up in Cubase as i have never used this before.

Correct. I’ll PM you my adress.

Thats very kind of you indeed to offer your kind expert help. i really do appreciate that a lot :mrgreen:

I’m afraid expert is a bit too much praise, but I’ll do what I can :sunglasses:

Anyone else who wants to chip in and help out with giving me a bit of professional advice is very welcome indeed !! i can send the Cubase files to your personal email address via WeTransfer. :ugeek:

Thanks a lot guys…

Right, I had a good look at your project yesterday but I forgot to post my findings, sorry :sunglasses: .
Anyway, as suspected Cubase told me it couldn’t find halion sonic so I just linked those 2 tracks to HSSE using samples I thought sounded quite good.
Looking at the project I found 1 ‘error’. You have a chorus on a send, while the mix-knob on that chorus is only at 70%. If it’s on a send you’ll want it on 100%. Other than that it seems fine to me.

A few observations though: You seem to like to use stereo expanders (the tonebooster also does something like it) which isn’t a problem per se as it certainly makes your sound bigger, but you should check your mix for mono compatibility. Most listeners don’t use a stereo setup as accurate as yours, unless they are using headphones, and by using widening plugins so much you risk elements will disappear in mono.

Secondly just a tip of something I personally like doing: If you have a reverb send on a track that you also have a compressor inserted on, I often make sure the reverb send picks up the signal before the compressor. This way peaks in the signal create more reverb, without actually sounding like a peak. This sounds more natural to me. You can do this by putting the compressor in a post-fader insert (7 and 8) and switching the send prefader. By no means a rule though, just something to experiment with.

As always, nothing is wrong, everything is allowed and viable if it sounds good :wink:

That was an overlook on my behalf. i found it anyway (‘Chill Piano’ Chorus’ on the Piano track). That was just a mistake rather than a lack of knowledge.

Yes, the Stereo Widening sounds great on headphones to me so thats thats why i used it quite a lot. So do the problems start if the listener plays the song thru a basic hi-fi system ??

Thats great. i never heard of or used the Post Faders before. i will have a try next time. Do i have to manually CREATE the Post Fader channels ??

As i say, i think a ton of my problems are because i am mixing with standard headphones. i plan to buy a pair of Yamaha HS-50 powered monitors if i feel i can justify my rate of improvement on Cubase.

i have been watching tons of videos on You Tube and i have a local guy who may be able to give me some tuition. What i need is for someone to sit down with me and point my ears (and brain !) in the right direction :sunglasses:

Problems may occur when people listen to your music from mono sources like a phone speaker for instance. Stereo wideners take the signal and duplicate it to the left and right channel, slightly delaying one to the other. When summing these 2 back together as a mono playback system would can mean that both cancel out eachother and suddenly an entire element of your mix can disappear.

HS50s would be a good choice I think. it all depends on your room, budget and taste, but they are a great starting point.

Thanks Strophoid,

You have been very helpful indeed and i really appreciate that.

The HS-50 Yamaha’s are within my budget. i am only a bedroom Cubase user so they sould be fine for my needs to learn on.

To elaborate a bit on that: you will learn that your bedroom has certain sound characteristics that you will find a hindrance in really hearing what is going on in the frequency spectrum. To deal with this you will need to learn to tune your room with acoustic materials and/or get to know the sound of your room so very well that acoustic anomalies have no effect on you making great sounding productions. A very good method is listening to your favorite music in your room and comparing it to your own music, soundwise.

I missed your question regarding pre/post fader. Insert slots 7 and 8 are post fader by default. Sends can be switched pre or post individually with a button.

Thanks Stropoid,

i have looked for these Faders but i can’t find them ?? :open_mouth:

Is it in Sends or Inserts ??

It is a button in every sends slot that turns orange when pressed.

Yep, i found that thanks (and have used it to remind myself of what each track sounds like BEFORE i added SEND FX).

It says “Click to bypass Sends”.

But how does this relate to Strophoids comment please ?? :-

…regarding pre/post fader. Insert slots 7 and 8 are post fader by default. Sends can be switched pre or post individually with a button.