Sends before Inserts?

Nuendo
#1

I would like to be able to send from an audio channel before the inserts. Is this possible? Ideally, I’d like to be able to put the sends anywhere I want in the chain, but I’m sure that this isn’t possible. Any suggestions, other than double the number of tracks in the project? :frowning:

DG

#2

I think there are plugins that allow sending of audio from one instance to another, but I don’t remember any names.
You could check KVR, the plugin database and search there?

#3

Perhaps you can elaborate on what you’re trying to achieve (the larger picture)? Could be easier to find a solution that way.

#4

Yes of course. I have an audio track with SPAT as an insert, for placement. I want to send from the original audio to a reverb channel before it went through SPAT. Whatever way I do it, I end up with an extra track.

DG

#5

I guess duplicating track is the easiest way to do this really…
But you probably already do this :wink:
By / Tumppi

#6

Yes, I don’t want extra tracks. I’ve got enough in the project already. So I guess I’ve got my answer. Nuendo can’t do this. :frowning:

DG

#7

Sadly not - all the prefade sends are post insert.
It might make a nice FR to have the sends switchable to pre insert & EQ as well as pre-fader.

#8

Hmmm…

I don’t think other Daw’s do this either. I’ve never really thought about this really. I guess the problem would be if you’d want to send the signal pre- or post-fade. That’d be another decision that would have to be made in programming then…

#9

We had that discussion before on the old forum, and a closer look brought up many (technical) problems. As far as I can remember, we couldn’t even make it work in theory.
That being said, technology has made big progress since then, so I guess nothing is impossible anymore …

Fredo

#10

You could use a group channel with SPAT insert and direct the dry and wet signals in it. I know it’s an extra track but you won’t have duplicate events.

#11

I don’t want the wet signal going through SPAT and it’s still an extra channel per instrument. As I have many instruments, it’s not just one extra track.

DG

#12

If it’s a specific use, I use the reverb as an insert and automate the Dry/wet balance.
For a group of tracks, you can do this through a dedicated group track.
But things can get complicated pretty fast …


Fredo

#13

If I understood correctly…

You want a signal to go to an aux channel before passing through inserts on that track?
Isn’t it possible to put the SPAT plugin on the last two inserts which are post-fader inserts and set the aux send to pre-fader? I cannot test it now but this is how I remember Nuendo sends works.

On Nuendo manual (p.205, p.213) is says that insert effect 7 & 8 are post fader (post EQ also) and that you could send a track signal pre-insert 7 & 8.

Hope I understood properly what you want to achive. :smiley:

Cheers!

#14

All sends come after the inserts. The “pre-fader” / “post-fader” is exactly that, either sending pre or post fader, not pre or post inserts.

#15

Unfortunately a Wet/Dry automation negates the while point of using the SPAT plug.

DG

#16

Yes, exactly.

DG

#17

Strage… I asked a friend to do a test and he said that aux send is pre-insert 7&8 when pre-fader is on.

He did the following test:

  1. Made a track with a sine wave.
  2. Made an FX channel with nothing on it.
  3. Put a pitch shift on insert 7 on the track.
  4. Sent the track signal to the aux with pre-fade option enabled.
  5. Made 2 groups.
  6. Direct track output to group 1.
  7. Direct FX channel output to group 2.
  8. Solo each grup and on grup 1 it played the pitched sound and on group 2 it played the non-piched sound.

Maybe we did something wrong though… :confused:
It would be sad to find that all inserts are pre-sends… :cry:

#18

I stand corrected. I remembered incorrectly and didn’t read the manual properly. Inserts 7/8 indeed are after the “pre-sends”. You’re right.

#19

You are correct, but it means that the send has to be pre-fader, which I didn’t want.

DG

#20

But then imagine the routing necessary. You’d have to create several “parallel” paths to accomplish this. Sounds pretty messy to me (talking about programming).