Separating a note from a chord

Greetings.
I have tried to find this subject so I wouldn’t be adding an unnecessary new topic here.
Sincere apologies if I missed it.
I am pulling my hair out trying to created this figure for the right hand:
Breaking off the E in an FMaj7 chord to arpeggiate the melody.
(I’m good on the triplet.)
I need help changing the E to a simple half note, which I presume would leave a quarter note rest remaining in the measure.
Chord

Thanks in advance.
-Gary

If I understand you correctly, is there any reason you wouldn’t want it to look like this (instead of including a quarter rest)?

If this works, I first entered the half-note E and descending triplet notes in Up-stem Voice 1, then added the dotted-half chord in Down-stem Voice 1.

Of course, the C and A in the triplet figure “crash into” the chord rhythmically, so maybe it’s in the down-stem voice where you want the quarter rest.

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Greetings Judd!
Ugh. Sloppy stems on my attached graphic. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:
Yes! You are correct on all points.
I will give that a go.
A tip of the hat to you for your assistance.
Best regards,

Gary

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@Judddanby
Hi Judd (“he’s baaaaaack…”) :roll_eyes: :blush:

I was able to input the figure with your instructions. Thanks again.
The triplet was indeed rhythmically wrong.

Two more challenges for me
I tried to search for the topics - (the dynamic separation was also about .midi, which I do not use).

  1. Is there a way to delete the appended half note rest (it’s not really necessary, although it is orthodox and “correct” (orange on the picture).
  2. Is there a way to separate the bass clef volume ( pp ) from the treble clef volume ( mp ) so it sounds as scored in playback?

Many thanks in advance, Kapellmeister.

-Gary
Dorico

Hello Gary,

  1. as you have already selected the rest, you could use the “Remove Rests” command from the Edit menu:
    Deleting rests.

Another approach: by using your mouse, select the chord except the top note A (i.e. just the three bottom notes).
Then hit the key V once. This way you put the three bottom notes into a separate voice, just as in the bar before.

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Hi @Gary_Andrews , I made some time ago a video that explains how to write independent voice dynamics. Maybe can be of some help:

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Another excellent master class à la @Christian_R — nicely done, sir!

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@Gary_Andrews, I strongly agree with @k_b about putting the B-D-F chord into the same down-stem voice as the F-A-C. It reflects graphically what is actually happening musically: a principal melodic line and slower-moving “chordal” voices underneath. (I took the liberty of extending the slur into the second measure just to (ahem) “hammer” the point home; I also left my preferred beaming preferences set, which is why I didn’t accurately capture the look of yours.)

If you followed @Christian_R’s excellent tutorial, you should be good to go with playback balanced as you’d like.

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Greetings, K_B -
Perfect guidance.
Thank you. Most appreciated.

-Gary

Greetings, Christian_R!
@judddanby said it best:
“Another excellent master class à la @Christian_R”.
What more can I add to that?
I’ll be watching the video again this evening.
My sincere gratitude for your thoughtful assistance, sir.

All the best to you,

Gary

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Hi Judd!

Re: “I strongly agree with @k_b about putting the B-D-F chord into the same down-stem voice as the F-A-C. It reflects graphically…”
Without question!
It’s nuances such as this that distinguish genuine artists from the crowd.
I’ll be amending those measures promptly.

Your instruction is very much appreciated, and you are cordially invited to hop in and “hammer home” your guidance at any time!

Continued gratitude, sir.

Remain well.

Gary

Awesome!
Vielen Dank, das weiß ich sehr zu schätzen, Herr Professor!

Gary

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Greetings Christian, and fellow composers -

I am trying to follow @Christian_R 's excellent instruction for independent dynamics as given in his video:

Please compare screenshots of Christian’s Play View and Mine to understand my questions.

In Play View, In cannot find the way to expand the Piano to display Staff (a), Staff (b), etc.

I also notice his entire interface is different.
I am assuming Christian’s is the Professional Version.
I am using Dorico Elements (5).

Is it possible that Elements does not provide this feature?
Or am I insufficiently familiar with navigating the interface?

My objective is to apply independent dynamics (and verify them as described in the video) to the Figure I show in original post (at the top of this thread).

If Elements does not provide this feature, is there a way to verify the independent dynamics assigned to different Up and Down stem voices?

Thank you in advance,

Gary

cc: @dspreadbury

You need to click the “Enable Independent Voice Playback” button.

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Thank you for the reply, Janus -

I did. As instructed in Christian’s video.
No effect.
Now that I know Elements provides this feature, I’m going to reinstall Dorico.

I reentered your example into Dorico Pro, using OPT + ENTER (Mac OS) to put the mp and pp in as independent dynamics (as discussed above).

(For easy reference:)

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Since it’s a Pro file, I’m guessing that there’s no point in sharing it here, as @Gary_Andrews wouldn’t be able to open it. (Is that correct?)

I tried exporting audio four different ways:

  1. HALion Sonic Select — Independent Voice Playback Enabled:

    (Anyone hearing much difference here? It is working, though, which I confirmed by making the upper voices ff.)

  2. HALion Sonic Select — Independent Voice Playback Disabled:

  3. NotePerformer — Independent Voice Playback Enabled:

    [NB — arpeggio is lost!]

  4. NotePerformer — Independent Voice Playback Disabled:

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Gary, don’t re-install, it won’t change anything.
Btw, did you finish your Dynamic input
with Alt+Enter?
The Alt/Option key is crucial.

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Many thanks, K_B -

Please see my following reply to @judddanby for my note which includes a reference to your guidance.

Hi Judd -

Thank you for a most comprehensive reply.
The Audio files were a gift. :clap:
I am including a reply to @k_b here to reduce redundancy.

K_B:

I did not re-install Dorico. Right after this reply I am going to remove my
standard Bluetooth and Mouse combination keyboard and mouse and re-install my Mac keyboard and mouse. *After several repeated clicks of the Enable Independent Voice Playback button, the correct Staff representation was indeed visible in ‘Play’. * I am not at all fond of the Mac Keyboard; the flat keys are not to my liking, but I’m convinced I have not been properly entering commands where Option / Alt is necessary.

Judd:

I am also using NotePerformer and have also observed anomalies, such as the loss of Arpeggio, as your file shows. Chief among them are the inability to correctly play ( or entirely miss ) such ornaments as a Turn (Solo Violin).

RE: " Anyone hearing much difference here?.
Indeed. I don’t hear much of a difference.

BTW: For some reason I was not able to get the Slur over to the A in the next bar by highlighting all and clicking Slur, or by trying to grab the Slur handle and drag it into the next measure.
My slur stuck on the last eighth note B.

After I re-install the Mac Keyboard and mouse, I will start again and report back.

Everyone’s patience and help is deeply appreciated.

-Gary

Nope, he can – there’s no difference in file format. The smaller versions just have reduced editing capabilities.

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