Many probably haven’t noticed this yet. It may simply be the properties of sound in general. If not a serious error is at play. I beg anyone to follow along and help me get to grips with this issue. When it comes to a perfect mix this is HUGE!
I stumbled across this when observing the waveform of the mix, in Volume Shaper, on the Master. I wanted to visually see how tight i could get the tail of the kick and the start of the release ducking the sub, before they interact too much. I’ve started do this in all my projects. In some i noticed the transient of the kick was behaving erratically, even though i knew i had the sub 100% ducked at that point. When muting the kick, sure enough, a tiny bit of the sub is visible at the start on the Volume Shaper, acting as a display, on the Master.
What is happening here is, when inserting certain plugin, possibly delay related, either the sub is shifting back or the ducking is shifting back.
- Insert Volume Shaper (VS1) on the master, purely as a wavefrom display set to 1/4
- Create a synth track and have it play a very low sine wave, a sub
- Insert a Volume Shaper (VS2) on the synth track, draw in a hard duck, instant start, 100%
- View the VS1 on the master, all as expected
- Insert Frequency, after VS2, apply a low cut 96 at 30hz
- View VS1 on the master, we now have a tiny bit of sub at the start
At first i though it might be Volume Shaper (the one ducking the sub) not lining up correctly (plugin compensation?) so i tested by automating the Sub synths volume fader (which was a lot easier to do now thanks to curves), same issue. I also tested by the old compressor side chain method, same issue.
So we know Lowcuts shift the phase, is that all is at play here? How do we work around it? Switching frequency to Linear mode removes most but we still get a tiny, tiny bit. For the past few weeks I’d rested my mind that this was the issue but today i came to notice Ozone 8 Vintage Tape introduces the same problem.
Why this is huge! I’ve seen many swear by low cutting the master, pre slam, yet if we observe this visually, we can see how destructive it is to the transient of the kick. If I’ve set up a perfectly super tight Sidechain or Shaper so that the kick sample sits perfectly as it is, unchanged every time, simply applying the low cut, adding Vintage Tape, some other plugins on the master, will result in the low end shifting, escaping the duck and seriously exciting the transient of your kick.