Set to default clef

Hi! Somehow a trombone has a treble clef in my score. I can change it to Bass Clef of course, but I’d rather not have “changes” that can induce strange behaviour later. I want to do it right. For some reason this C-trombone bass clef (in setup) gets a treble clef in write mode. How can I remove this kind of invisible overrides/changes (don’t know how to call them). in fact this is a general question: I want to learn to do everything “the Dorico way” and not work with bandages and other irregularities afterwards.

Don’t mean to curse, but in Sibelius you could select all and Sibelius showed you everything that was irregular. No it didn’t, but it should have, and it tried. In Dorico there are a lot of different “places” where you can make changes, overrides, perferences, like the propertie panel, the "rules, the setup, and so further and so on. How can I find out every little change or mutation from my standard preferences and settings, like this Clef Change…

The Library->Library Manager.

Jesper

This is exactly what I mean! Wow! Many thanks!

I can’t find this particular change, but it’s a lot, I will have to study it, I guess…

Did you try to change instrument on the trombone to a trombone? There is a treble clef one. Maybe you selected that by mistake?

Jesper

Yes, I selected the right trombone, that’s not the problem. The problem was that there was a bug: somehow a treble clef was inserted by Dorico. I removed it by pressing backspace, but I can’t find a way to make these clef changes visual. If you don’t know they’re there, it’s impossible to find them. Does anyone know how to “show really really everything that is not default”?

Well, the Library Manager will show you options and settings that are different from the defaults, but I think what you’re asking for is essentially “show everything which has had a property changed”, which could really clutter up the score!

In the case of a manually changed initial clef, I agree that it’s hard to find just by looking. One way to tell is to click on the clef. If it’s the instrument’s default clef, then you won’t be able to select it; if it can be selected (turns orange), then it’s a clef that has been added.

Largely because these explicit initial clefs are common in XML imports, Dorico also has a command “Delete Initial Clefs”. It’s a little hard to discover, because it’s not in any menu, but you can invoke it from the jump bar and can assign a key command to it.

Thanks! Checking the selectability is a great tip!!

This rogue clef is an XML-issue for sure. It would be nice for people without any computer skills, like me, if XML wouldn’t make such a mess. Or that Avid would be magnanimous enough to make conversion to Dorico cleaner. I will not keep my hopes up for that. I got to know Avid the hard way.

I have everything but Text items, and other technical playing techniques unticked under Preferences->MusicXML. Don’t know if that helps. For future imports.

Jesper

I don’t think that this is an Avid issue – I’ve seen it with XML imported from other applications as well. It would be nice if Dorico added an option to ignore initial clefs in XML imports.