What is the simplest (and safest!) way to show the page numbers on pages 38 and 39 in the same way as the number shows on page 40? (This appendix is its own separate Dorico file.)
It seems that it should be easy to add text frames for these numbers in the appropriate positions without causing any problems elsewhere. Is there a compelling reason not to do that? (I’ve become a little nervous of interfering too much with what Dorico ‘wants’ to do.)
It’s a little hard to give an accurate answer without seeing your project file. You could try setting Layout Options > Flows > Page number in header to Show above flow heading. If this doesn’t work in your case, we’d need to see the project file so that we know what’s going on.
You are using the “First” page template for the first page. You would have to edit that page template to also consist of a Text frame with a page number token.
And create a new page template for empty pages, containing a text frame with a page number token.
David,
You can add it to those page templates (or make duplicates and add it to those which is what I would prefer to do.
First, make a copy of your file to work on! Using the copied file, in Engrave mode, click on the template in the right panel that has the page number to see how it was added in that template. There’s probably a token which will be a term surrounded by curly brackets and at signs like {@term@}. You can add the same kind of frame and tokens to the other (or duplicated) templates. It looks like that Default Template has the page number in a small frame in the upper left corner. The alternate page probably has it in the opposite corner with the style changed for left or right alignment. (I’m not at my computer to check if you simply do the copy Left to Right [L] → [R] (or Right to Left depending on which way you want to copy) whether this will automatically put it on the other side of the page.) (There is another thread that suggests stretching the frame across the page and setting the style appropriately to alternate automatically.)
There are some videos on making templates that can help get you started.
— Jim
I seem to have managed this fairly easily by creating a text block, selecting ‘page number’ for the font style option, and then moving the blocks to the correct positions for both pages 38 and 39.
I’m not at all sure that this is the approved solution, but it was easier than I was expecting – and, most importantly, it didn’t interfere with anything else.
I advise against making duplicates.
Reason: the duplicate will be linked to the source, and changes you make on the duplicate will be reflected in the original.
Always create new page templates.
For real? — Okay, I don’t doubt you but that just doesn’t make sense from a developer’s perspective, IMHO. Why would you need two copies that were essentially “entangled”? But that is off-topic and not helpful to David! Point taken — make a new template! (PM me if you want to explain why duplicates act this way!)
I recommend creating a page number on the First page template.
There’s an option to hide it for page 1, should you want to do that; but if you’re using it for every new Flow, then you’ll want a page number on it.
If you add the text frame to the page, then there will always be a text frame on page 39, even if the start of the flow moves to another page. Perhaps it will simply overprint the ‘automatic’ page number, but perhaps it won’t be perfectly aligned.
This is all very useful information (and the same for the other replies above).
In due course, I hope to improve the vertical spacing and other engraving details in this project, so I’ll try what you suggest while doing that. For now what I did with the text frames seems to work much better than I had feared, plus it only took about two minutes.
And therein lies the trap.
Unless you changed the text frames on the underlying Page Templates any future spacing improvements that involve other changes to a Page Template will now have no affect.
(Which is why folks have suggested that you create/change templates rather than add text frames to pages)
I take your point, but this project uses three entirely separate, but related, Dorico files, combined in one PDF.
The main 34 page file, which could do with less extravagant layout, but will be OK for now.
An alternative ending added to a copy of 1) and printed to PDF from that point onwards. See the attached screenshot from the complete PDF, which Illustrates why I thought it easiest to move bar 313 of the copy to the next system (and page) and then to add the longer (and very much bleaker) alternative ending from there on. Page 34 is from file 1) page 35 from file 2).
A stand alone song for mezzo and piano closely similar to the last 70 bars or so of the first file, but with just one singer instead of two. I hope that all I will need to do is to delete the two extra text frames under discussion before adjusting the layout of this 75 bar file and altering the page numbers accordingly.
A potential 4) would be a copy of 3) bound separately as a PDF with pages numbered from 1.
(This is all clear and simple in my own mind, however convoluted I may be making it seem!)
Maybe all this might have been better done with multiple flows, but I’m not yet secure enough with Dorico (after my 26 years with Finale preceded by 50 years of manuscript) to have chosen to do it that way when I knew I could do it easily enough in the way described.
I understand, but the separate files are irrelevant here.
The point to understand is subtle, but important, and can lead to enormous frustration if misunderstood: The order in which you make certain decisions about layout in Dorico has consequences.
Some changes are best achieved by changing the underlying page template. BUT if an earlier change you made has already broken the connection between the page and its template (creating a page override) then that page will not be updated to reflect any change you now make to the template.
This is just precautionary advice. If you know what you are doing, creating page overrides is not a problem
You directly edited your page by moving and resizing text frames. These actions are all overrides to the template. When you remove overrides, your edits get reset.
Yes, it is.
1.) Do not edit directly on your pages (as tempting as it might be).
2.) Take your time to edit your Page Template.
Or create a new Page Template (based on „None“). We are talking about your Full Score Page Templates (there is another set for part layouts only).
No new template needed.
Just delete the music frame on the page you want blank. The music will then move to the next page and the blank page will keep all header and page number information.
