I need the Bb to be slurred to the G in both endings, not just the first ending. I have seen passages like this before, and there is always a little slur above the second ending, similar to a slur from one system to another. Is there any way to do this?
Because Dorico does not yet have a way of doing this “natively”, one approach is to input a grace note before the note in the second time ending, slur it to the existing note, and then hide the grace note. This can be done in Engrave mode, Properties > Notes and Rests > Hide notehead & Hide stem. Depending on the pitches involved, Hide ledger lines might be necessary also. Unless playback is not important, it is a good idea to also do Properties > Common > Suppress playback (don’t forget, of course, to select the grace note before doing the hiding and suppressing - Dorico only acts on what is selected}.
The slur will probably need to be re-shaped somewhat - in Engrave mode select the slur and fiddle around with its edit handles (much easier if you zoom in a lot) until you are satisfied with the slur’s appearance. If selecting a particular edit handle using the mouse is tricky, the Tab key will cycle through them. To move an edit handle, either drag with the mouse or use alt/opt + arrow keys (add the shift key for larger movements). If the slur looks too thin, it can be thickened (again, in Engrave mode) in Properties > Slurs > Middle thickness. In the attached screenshot, I have chosen 1/4 space.
To lessen the gap between the repeat barline and the note in the second time ending, in Engrave mode click on the Note Spacing icon in the left panel, select the square edit handle of the note and nudge it left using alt/opt + left arrow.
Slur to 2nd.dorico (1.4 MB)
PS The grace note displays shaded on screen (so that you know it is there) but does not print.
Another solution is to place a laissez-vibrer tie to the second ending G and adjusting it manually in Engrave mode.
We really need a boilerplate response to this query topic. it comes up so often. Here’s an option to implement AI in this forum. ![]()
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Slurs extending into second endings in Dorico
While Dorico doesn’t currently offer an automatic method to connect slurs seamlessly from a first ending into a second ending, several workarounds exist to achieve the desired visual representation.
Methods
- Laissez-vibrer (LV) Tie Workaround:
- Select the note in the second ending where the slur should end.
- In the Properties panel (often found in the lower zone, press Ctrl/Cmd-8 to show/hide) locate the “Slurs” group and activate the “Laissez vibrer tie” property.
- In Engrave mode (Ctrl/Cmd-3), you can then manipulate the LV tie by dragging its handles to extend it backward and visually connect it to the slur in the first ending.
- Hidden Grace Note Workaround:
- In the second ending, add a grace note tied to the desired note where the slur would normally begin.
- Suppress playback for this grace note to avoid unintended playback effects.
- Then, you can manually adjust the slur’s endpoints to connect from the end of the slur in the first ending to the grace note in the second ending.
- Manual Adjustment (Using an Existing Slur and Editing):
- Place a slur within the first ending that you intend to extend into the second ending.
- In Engrave mode, you can select the slur and adjust its handles to extend its reach as close as possible to the beginning of the second ending.
- You might need to adjust the note spacing in the second ending using the note spacing tool to nudge notes and minimize any visual gaps, according to Steinberg Forums.
Important notes
- Dorico’s automatic slur linking and collision avoidance features might interfere with these workarounds, so it’s essential to perform adjustments in Engrave mode and, if necessary, temporarily disable collision avoidance for the specific slur.
- While these workarounds achieve the desired visual outcome, they do not automatically affect playback. You might need to adjust playback durations or use other techniques like manual extending using the playback end offset property in the Properties panel in Write mode to ensure accurate playback of the tied notes, if needed.
Which gets it wrong, as usual.
eg.. There is no “slurs” group. The l.v. property is in Notes and Rests.
Also the difference between ties and slurs has been ignored (I certainly would only use l.v for ties, not slurs).
I was more impressed with what it got right and would have been able to make good use of it to find a solution.
I don’t know what I do wrong with LV ties to compensate for no slurs into 2nd endings, but I’ve resorted to using the top left jazz markings in the trill menu, called plop bend and scoop. Not elegant but they take just one click and for me they look close enough like carried slurs to not be confused with an actual jazz bend or scoop. Since the jazz markings come from both above and below they can fill in for both directions of carried slurs until Dorico fixes this.
Instead of LV ties, which are hard to get right, you can use a more robust workaround with a hidden grace note. See this thread.
Sorry for the delay. You have to shape the LV tie using its handles since it will be facing in the wrong direction. I grab the rightmost handle and move it left with the OPT-left arrow. That flips the tie, unfortunately, and you can use the down (!) arrow on the middle handle to move it back up.
To help with l.v. ties in this context, I created 6 short user scripts that add a reversed l.v. tie to a note – three different lengths, either above or below. You can put these scripts into the Script Plug-ins folder in your Dorico user config folder (c:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Steinberg\Dorico 6 on Windows and /Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/Steinberg/Dorico 6 on Mac) and then invoke them from the Script menu to quickly add a backwards second ending tie to a selected note.
Add Second Ending Tie.zip (2.5 KB)
Thanks, I’ll have to try that next time I encounter such a tie, I couldn’t figure out how to keep the tie from flipping or mis-shaping so reverted to the jazz articulations as a last and fortunately quick resort.


