Please refer to the screen shot attached. Notice that in this condensed page view that some slurs (which are present in Galley View) disappear in this view in 3rd Cl., 3rd. Tpt. and 3rd. T’bone. However, they are present in Alto Sax. This is in the 3rd and 4th measure of the example. Any ideas as to why those slurs are not present in this page view?
Thanks to all Dorico experts for your continuing help.
I am guessing here - as I don’t have your project available. Turn on voice colours and have a look in Galley View. Are all notes of those instruments in the same colour / of the same voice?
Also you could delete those slurs and re-enter them in Galley view…
kb
Thanks for the quick response. Interesting that when I turned on the colors all the notes on that page turned blue EXCEPT the notes in those measures where the problem occurred. They stayed Black. I am attaching the Dorico file for you to look at and see if you can find the issue. Page 10 ms. 55 and 56.
Thanks again.
Gary
Slur Disappearing.dorico (1.2 MB)
Gary,
I had a quick look at your example.
Yes in bar 54/55 these three slurs ( 3rd Cl., 3rd. Tpt. and 3rd. T’bone) disappear in the condensed view.
The Alto Sax shows the slur - because it’s not condensed, you have only one player for this instrument. At least this explains the difference. I am not sure why Dorico does not show a slur if there is a tie at the same position. It could be a bug in the condensing function…
kb,
You are correct that the Alto Sax part is not condensed. I should have mentioned that. Hmm. This is a mystery. I am going to keep the post active and see if any other ideas float in.
Thanks so much for taking a look at it.
Gary
In a previous condensing change (bar 47 for the trombons, 48 for the trumpets, 49 for the clarinets) the condensed instruments were put in the same voice (up-stem voice) that is why just one slur will be displayed.
If you want to show the two slurs you need to have two voices in the condensed staves. And if you want, you could still flip the down-stem voice and change it’s voice column index to show it the way you have it now but with one slur above and one below.
Another case is bar 63, there the condensing change before the end of the frase (in the sense of condensing in Dorico) does not allow to show the slur in the condensed Horns staff. Move the condensing change to the end of the frase (a quarter forward) and the slur will be showed.
rafaelv,
Thanks do much for this explanation. I am going to need to contemplate this explanation a little. It’s a little over my head at the moment. I don’t know if this makes any difference, but the top notes in each sample are not slurred but tied. You instructions will likely work for that scenario as well.
Yes It will work, please do the following steps:
-In Engrave mode, create a condensing-change at the beginning of bar 54. Through this condensing-change apply a manual condensing approach to the clarinets 2 and 3 staff, put the clarinet 2 in the up-stem voice and the clarinet 3 in the down-stem voice.
-Select the next condensing change (at the fourth beat of bar 55) and press enter in order to edit it. Reset the condensing approach of the clarinets 2 and 3.
Is that not the result you are looking for?
Well the hairpin above the staff (consequence of the two voices approach)…
You can hide the intensity mark but not the hairpin. But you can make both invisible (set the alfa chanel to zero, using the color property). Though not more visible that dynamics will affect the spacing, use the placement property to put them below the staff where there is already another dynamic.
Go to bar 63, in write mode select the condensing change at beat one. Use Ctrl + Alt + right arrow to move the condensing change forward in the bar and see the slur appears in the condensed horns staff, (since your rhytmic grid is set to eight notes, you will have to press the right arrow four times while holding Ctrl+Alt to get the condensing change at the third beat of the bar).
I hope that helps.
When I wrote my first answer in this thread I did not pay attention to the fact that the up voices are tied while the down voices are slured. IMHO that would speak in favour of the two voices approach.
rafaele,
Thank you again for this comprehensive explanation. I will try this in the morning and let you know how it goes.
Best regards,
Gary
rafaele,
That worked perfectly. Thanks for the more detail explanation you sent last evening. That did the trick. I will write all this down so I don’t forget.
Have a great day.
Gary
rafaele,
Well the hairpin above the staff (consequence of the two voices approach)…
“You can hide the intensity mark but not the hairpin. But you can make both invisible (set the alfa chanel to zero, using the color property). Though not more visible that dynamics will affect the spacing, use the placement property to put them below the staff where there is already another dynamic.
I spoke a little too soon.”
I was able to get the notes to look correct with the ties and the slurs but the explanation on how to handle the extra fp and the hairpin lost me. I don’t know what the alpha channel is or how to set it to 0 using the color property.
rafaele,
Never mind. I figured out how to set the color to zero in the properties panel. Everything look as it should now.
Thanks again.
rafaele,
I am still running into a little difficulty with one step when I try to reproduce this effect. In the second graphic you included (The screen shot of a portion of my score) How did you select just the two notes in the lower voice of C. 2&3? When I try to select just those two notes I also end up highlighting the time signature and when anything else besides the two notes is highlighted then the Properties Panel will not show the “Notes and Rests” column making it impossible to select the “Voice Column Index”.
First select one note, by clicking the notehead, press Ctrl and, while holding it down, click on the other notehead you want to add to the selection. That should do it.
rafaele,
Thank you so much.
