So...when is the Japan relief effort/music coming?

[foolomon]

If you separate the music from the relief effort that the music was supposed to facilitate, then the music was by far a resounding success.

The relief effort, however, was far in the other direction. After considerable effort by all involved we raised (as was noted earlier) only about $100. It was disheartening to get an absolute lack of response from the media as I tried to raise awareness of our efforts to say the least, so we were unfortunately dependent solely on word of mouth. Still, word of mouth only goes so far without the viral-ity of the message.

I suspect this is the reason why you haven’t seen a call to arms for Japan.

[curteye]

Aloha Steve,

After living here in the Hawaiian islands for 14 years I find that many of the local folks
(especially the older ones) still have a ‘not so positive feeling’ about anything Japanese.

Guess ya had to be there. (here)
{‘-’}

[curteye]

@Zenda

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Would Gordon Lightfoot be considered here?
The Wreck of the ‘Edmund Fitzgerald’
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[Lenny_Lee]

@curteye

@Zenda

creating the music project) were just trying to capitalize on a disaster for their own gain?[/b][/size]

Would Gordon Lightfoot be considered here?
The Wreck of the ‘Edmund Fitzgerald’
{‘-’}

Gordon Lightfoot was thinking of nobody but himself when he wrote that song.
A low down profiteering bastard was he!!

[Paul_Woodlock]

@curteye

Aloha Steve,

After living here in the Hawaiian islands for 14 years I find that many of the local folks
(especially the older ones) still have a ‘not so positive feeling’ about anything Japanese.

Guess ya had to be there. (here)
{‘-’}

It’s not healthy or cool to blame the ordinary people of a country for the abhorrent actions of their ruling regime. The US and UK regimes have committed war crimes consistently over the last few decades yet it’s not our fault as ordinary citizens. Can’t blame the ordinary people of Japan for Pearl Harbour anymore than you can blame ordinary neocons for 911. Anyway Pearl Harbour was known about in advance and it was let happen in order to pre-text the USA into WW2. And let’s not even get onto the Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocide.

My heart goes out to the people of Japan and the Palestinians. The former the victims of nature, the latter the victims of racism.

[curteye]

Well put Paul.

However when I hear the old folks at my church telling the story of looking out from their homes
and seeing/hearing/smelling/tasting the horror and destruction all around them
I do start understand why it is hard (for them) to forgive/forget.

My heart goes out to the people of Japan and the Palestinians

Right on Paul. I’m with you on this.

Because I live here my heart goes out to those Hawaiians
(who were not americans at the time) who lived thru this and
still continue to harbour resentment; regardless of how and why it happened.

Some even feel it’s Karma. A sort of pay-back. Sad.

But I do see this attitude changing a bit with the younger folk.
{‘-’}

Anyway we are waiting to see if the radiation reaches us and what effect it will have.
I have already had enough with my cancer treatments.

[Paul_Woodlock]

@curteye

Well put Paul.

However when I hear the old folks at my church telling the story of looking out from their homes
and seeing/hearing/smelling/tasting the horror and destruction all around them
I do start understand why it is hard (for them) to forgive/forget.

My heart goes out to the people of Japan and the Palestinians

Right on Paul. I’m with you on this.

Because I live here my heart goes out to those Hawaiians
(who were not americans at the time) who lived thru this and
still continue to harbour resentment; regardless of how and why it happened.

I know but it’s still bigoted to blame everyone in a nation for the vile behaviour of their Ruling Elite. People should have enough intelligence to distinguish this.

For example it would be abhorrent to blame the ordinary Israelis for the war crimes and genocide of the Israeli Regime and just as bad to blame Americans and British for the vile violence of their regimes.

Some even feel it’s Karma. A sort of pay-back. Sad.

That’s just disgusting

Forget the old bigots. Humanity is more important. We are all human beings regardless of nation/race/ethnicity.

But I do see this attitude changing a bit with the younger folk.
{‘-’}

Anyway we are waiting to see if the radiation reaches us and what effect it will have.
I have already had enough with my cancer treatments.

This radiation issue has been totally hyperboled by an irresponsible Western Mainstream Media. Don’t worry about it. You’ll get more of a dose from a CT-Scan

The Chernobyl explosion spewed far more radiation over Europe and we are still alive. Well most of us

[curteye]

@Paul Woodlock

[You’ll get more of a dose from a CT-Scan

I hear you. Twice a year for me now.
{‘-’}

[Paul_Woodlock]

@curteye

@Paul Woodlock

[You’ll get more of a dose from a CT-Scan

I hear you. Twice a year for me now.
{‘-’}

Good luck. I’ve had CT-Scans. They are not without risks, but better than not knowing what’s going on inside.

[Paul_Woodlock]

@Steve Fogal

@curteye

Because I live here my heart goes out to those Hawaiians
(who were not americans at the time) who lived thru this and
still continue to harbour resentment; regardless of how and why it happened.

Some even feel it’s Karma. A sort of pay-back. Sad.

But I do see this attitude changing a bit with the younger folk.{‘-’}

It’s a very good thing that at least the ‘younger folk’ are grabbing a clue … I find it totally rediculous that people hold resentments against people that litterally had ZERO to do with what happened in the past and I have no sympathy for them, the grudge holders. …from the japs with Paerl Harbor, the jews with the holocost, to the blacks being enslaved, the american indians land taken, etc, etc, etc… Everyone involved is already dead and gone or close to it. What’s done is done, and can’t be changed. Every country or race could claim they’ve been done wrong at some point, has had land taken from them, have been slaughtered…as far as I’m concerned it’s time to get over it all, there’s just about no one alive that has been directly involved nor has any personal memory of it to be blaming or hold a grudge against.

My girlfriend who’s French born…her mother was a child when the Germans invaded, though she barely has a memory, she holds a grudge against Germany. But at least SHE was alive and directly involved to warrant such feelings…everyone else who doesn’t have any memories or wasn’t directly involved just has their own set of issues…imo.

Of course there’s a number of events that have created a new sense of hatred and animosity…New Yorkers with 911, if not many Americans in general.

But the bigotry of old might be disappearing with the younger one’s and that’s a good thing. but there’s a new bigotry being instilled by the Elite that is cultivating an Anti-Muslim bigotry based upon nothing much more than propaganda and false flags. I read many comments by westerners who have developed a bigotry against Muslims. I’m sure you have too Steve.

[Paul_Woodlock]

@Steve Fogal

Yeah, ‘just after’ 911 I recall some yahoo idiot rammed his big Ford pickuptruck into a muslim/middle eastern type church…this was his brainless response …now I have no love for muslims myself personally, though I don’t have anything against them either…I’m certainly not on any crusade about them as you seem to be.

eh? - I’m not on any crusade against Muslims. I’m against Crusades against Muslims.

At ‘best’ I may have a slightly ‘tainted view’ about middle easterners…primarily for the religious fanaticism and treatment to their women…so I hear…but I don’t let that rule me overall. I’ve worked for many middle easterners who have been very nice people…one lady tried to throw her niece at me a couple years ago, saying she needed a “good boyfriend” > >

There’s nothing wrong with making jokes in a bigotry type way, I do it all the time and think it’s funny…even with my own heritages…but real hatred is really the individuals own issues and ignorance.

There’s just as much religious fanaticism in the USA.

[Zenda]

@Paul Woodlock

@Steve Fogal

@curteye

Because I live here my heart goes out to those Hawaiians
(who were not americans at the time) who lived thru this and
still continue to harbour resentment; regardless of how and why it happened.

Some even feel it’s Karma. A sort of pay-back. Sad.

But I do see this attitude changing a bit with the younger folk.{‘-’}

It’s a very good thing that at least the ‘younger folk’ are grabbing a clue … I find it totally rediculous that people hold resentments against people that litterally had ZERO to do with what happened in the past and I have no sympathy for them, the grudge holders. …from the japs with Paerl Harbor, the jews with the holocost, to the blacks being enslaved, the american indians land taken, etc, etc, etc… Everyone involved is already dead and gone or close to it. What’s done is done, and can’t be changed. Every country or race could claim they’ve been done wrong at some point, has had land taken from them, have been slaughtered…as far as I’m concerned it’s time to get over it all, there’s just about no one alive that has been directly involved nor has any personal memory of it to be blaming or hold a grudge against.

My girlfriend who’s French born…her mother was a child when the Germans invaded, though she barely has a memory, she holds a grudge against Germany. But at least SHE was alive and directly involved to warrant such feelings…everyone else who doesn’t have any memories or wasn’t directly involved just has their own set of issues…imo.

Of course there’s a number of events that have created a new sense of hatred and animosity…New Yorkers with 911, if not many Americans in general.

But the bigotry of old might be disappearing with the younger one’s and that’s a good thing. but there’s a new bigotry being instilled by the Elite that is cultivating an Anti-Muslim bigotry based upon nothing much more than propaganda and false flags. I read many comments by westerners who have developed a bigotry against Muslims. I’m sure you have too Steve.

Paul, Steve, have a look at this:

Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

The claim is something like “We’re doing this because they’re doing that and we’re trying to stop them” … But I bet it’s being used in more than just a reactive/defensive mode.

[Paul_Woodlock]

Israel recruits 'army of bloggers' to combat anti-Zionist Web sites

I come across a lot of these propaganda mercenaries. They use the same old tired and easily debunked untruthful arguments.

[twilightsong]

Paul is certainly right – the rich and powerful have been fomenting war and sending the lower classes (and young men) off to fight them for eons now. But it’s also true that quite often, the common man, for whatever reason, has enthusiastically “joined the cause” and carried out the will of his rulers. Adolf H-itler had a LOT of help, you know

I guess for me the important point is to not blame the descendants of those who committed crimes against humanity

[Paul_Woodlock]

@twilightsong

Paul is certainly right – the rich and powerful have been fomenting war and sending the lower classes (and young men) off to fight them for eons now. But it’s also true that quite often, the common man, for whatever reason, has enthusiastically “joined the cause” and carried out the will of his rulers. Adolf H-itler had a LOT of help, you know

They’ve enthusiastically joined because they have been fooled into believing they are under threat

I guess for me the important point is to not blame the descendants of those who committed crimes against humanity

Of course.

[twilightsong]

@Paul Woodlock

@twilightsong

Paul is certainly right – the rich and powerful have been fomenting war and sending the lower classes (and young men) off to fight them for eons now. But it’s also true that quite often, the common man, for whatever reason, has enthusiastically “joined the cause” and carried out the will of his rulers. Adolf H-itler had a LOT of help, you know

They’ve enthusiastically joined because they have been fooled into believing they are under threat

I recall specifically the US Civil War and the First World War… when war was declared, there was a lot of enthusiasm amongst many of the the young men to “get in on some action” etc. … which illusions were quickly dispelled after First Bull Run and the Battle of the Somme

[Paul_Woodlock]

@twilightsong

@Paul Woodlock

@twilightsong

Paul is certainly right – the rich and powerful have been fomenting war and sending the lower classes (and young men) off to fight them for eons now. But it’s also true that quite often, the common man, for whatever reason, has enthusiastically “joined the cause” and carried out the will of his rulers. Adolf H-itler had a LOT of help, you know

They’ve enthusiastically joined because they have been fooled into believing they are under threat

I recall specifically the US Civil War and the First World War… when war was declared, there was a lot of enthusiasm amongst many of the the young men to “get in on some action” etc. … which illusions were quickly dispelled after First Bull Run and the Battle of the Somme

WW1 was a particularly overtly fabricated war, a significant reason ( apart from the usual profiteering ) was to get rid of the Ottoman empire becuase they controlled lands wanted by certain others and refused to give it to them.

The propaganda in Britain for the big adventure was particularly nauseous.

[Paul_Woodlock]

@Steve Fogal

@Paul Woodlock

@Steve Fogal

Yeah, ‘just after’ 911 I recall some yahoo idiot rammed his big Ford pickuptruck into a muslim/middle eastern type church…this was his brainless response …now I have no love for muslims myself personally, though I don’t have anything against them either…I’m certainly not on any crusade about them as you seem to be.

eh? - I’m not on any crusade against Muslims. I’m against Crusades against Muslims.

At ‘best’ I may have a slightly ‘tainted view’ about middle easterners…primarily for the religious fanaticism and treatment to their women…so I hear…but I don’t let that rule me overall. I’ve worked for many middle easterners who have been very nice people…one lady tried to throw her niece at me a couple years ago, saying she needed a “good boyfriend” > >

There’s nothing wrong with making jokes in a bigotry type way, I do it all the time and think it’s funny…even with my own heritages…but real hatred is really the individuals own issues and ignorance.

There’s just as much religious fanaticism in the USA.

I thought I may have mispoken, but I see I wrote what I meant… I meant that as a crusade FOR them, on behalf of them …sticking up for them …unless crusade for something is not a proper choice of words …?

Ok, I see waht you mean … I’m no fan of any religious cult, but yes I am a fan of sticking up for those targeted by bigots and warmongers. It’s unfair to blame all Muslims, most of which are peaceful and decent people, for the actions of a few. IN the same way the vast majority of Christians are not to blame for the Christian extremism that drives some of the foreign policy of certain Western countries

Yes, fanaticism comes in many forms, religion being one…but to me, there’s not much more of a coo-coo religion that some middle eastern types of religions…though in the states we have nut jobs that worship snakes >

Christianity is a Middle Eastern desert religion but is basically the state religion of the USA. You even have “In god we trust” on your coinage.