I am hoping that some clever chap can assist me with this problem. Attached to this post is a small dorico file of the choir part to the UK national anthem. The main orchestration comprises of the Gordon Jacob brass fanfare, the first verse (using standard harmony) and then a second verse using Jacob harmony. The file was an xml import from Sibelius and you can see there are no visible bars rest between bars 1 and 13.
NB: I have inserted one note in bar 1 (during my attempts to fix this, but to no avail). When it is removed the whole introduction is squished down (write mode). In Engrave mode it does exactly the same.
I have already tried Setup>Layout Options (selected Players) and have selected the part and âallâ then toggled the âShow bars rests in empty barsâ (which is on) but this did nothing.
Could anybody please figure out what Iâve done wrong?
NB: The rest were not invisible in the Sib 6 file prior to xml export (Doliet 6)
Sorry about that small oversight however, when I do switch it on I can only see the rests on the treble stave of the part and if I delete the dotted minim G, then all the rest are removed once more. Could this be a problem with just my system. Iâll perform a âcold bootâ and retest. I will edit this post with my results.
It will take time for most of us to become as fluent on Dorico as we have been with our previous software. Thank you once again for your patience and understanding.
Iâm having the same problem, I want bar rests to appear in the upstem voice in the treble clef for the first two measure here. âShow bar rests in empty barsâ is selected in Layout options, âstarts voiceâ is deselected, and âshow bar restsâ is selected in Notation options. Iâm a little bit confused about the difference between âshow bar restsâ in layout options vs. notation options. Surely they donât cancel each other out missing bar rests.zip (438 KB)
Edit, see pianoleos answer below, that is the right way to do it.
Hi,
Until the other voice beggins there are no implicit rests for Dorico to show, and if you enter a explicit rest itâll allign with notes of the other voice at the same rhytmic position and will not show at the middle of the bar.
Maybe a solution for this strict counterpoint situation could be an option to display an explicit âbar restâ in the same position as an implicit bar rest.
If you have no option but to show the rest in all voices from the beginning, i think that you need a workaround.
First, in notation options select to show every rest in each voice, and to show bar rests in aditional voices (the difference with layout options is that there you choose to show bar rests in empty bars).
In the engraving options set the default gap before mid-system coda section to 0 spaces.
Add a bar before the first one and enter there a explicit rest, for every voice at best.
At the beggining of the now second bar insert a coda (hide it in the properties panel) and a bar number change so it can be displayed as #1;
In engrave mode insert a frame break, remove the overrides in page 2 and insert a Master page change to use the first master page there too.
Thatâs it.
Maybe an easier workaround is to enter a explicit whole rest in the first bar of your up-stem voice, and set the custom scale to 1, then create a playing technique with the whole rest sign and position it where you need it in engrave mode.
Thereâs no need for a workaround. Use explicit bar rests.
As to your confusion, Graham, itâs not a case of Notation Options and Layout Options cancelling each other out; itâs just that the Up-Stem Voice 1 doesnât actually exist until bar 3 as far as Doricoâs concerned. Using Shift-B Rest Enter (or the Insert Bar Rest button in the Bars and Barlines section of the right panel) tells Dorico to start the voice early.
Still, the way Dorico is handling this, is not consitent and the options and properties, which have been mentioned here, are misleading in this case. This is one of the questions I get asked very often from people, who normally write two voices in one system (especially church musicians).
Thanks Leo, I love how simple the solution is. I couldnât find this technique because I didnât know thatâs what I was looking for. Maybe the manual should mention something about this on the page about âshow empty barsâ.
The entry in the manual for this is here - Iâve already reworked it a bit âin-houseâ to have a more useful title and some additional information about how this interacts with the Notation Option for hiding/showing bar rests in additional voices. Iâll be publishing an update soon which will include that.
When you say it would be useful to mention this on the page about âshow empty barsâ - do you mean the task about hiding/showing bar rests in empty bars? If so, I think I agree and have added a link to the task to that page that will also be included in the next update.
Good to know, thanks - yeah, that page is about hiding/showing bar rests relating to cues specifically, and is from the v1 manual which hasnât been updated for a while; annoyingly, search results frequently point to older docs because theyâve been around longer. Itâs something weâre aware of and weâre looking into ways of making it more obvious when youâve landed on a page that isnât from the latest manual.
Thanks for the link - if thatâs coming up when people search for relevant info for hiding bar rests, Iâll see if I can link this up too.
Sorry, but as far as I can tell, if I choose âShow rhythms in tablatureâ in layout options (under Players|Fretted Instruments) the bar rests disappear.
Unchecking âShow rhythms in tablatureâ causes them to reappear. Any suggestions to get them to show while also showing rhythms in the TAB staff?