Which is exactly what microsoft did with word before the ribbon interface, as you could learn from another video by tantacrul. Honestly, all 3 of them: sibelious, dorico and musescore are worth watching.
I bet people who discredit his dorico video would applaud the other two
Aw man, this is such a fantastic, thoroughly thought out and consistent argument. It really puts 1h+ long video with first time user test to its place.
It is frankly amusing how people identify themselves with the tools they use. Acting like they are investors or authors of the tool, not the paying customers who should request the best value for money.
It‘s like using software X is a ticket to an exclusive club and everybody in that club thinks better of themselves due to the tool they are paying for and using. And if somebody points out that the tools is not so shiny and advanced in some respects, it‘s like their social status is in jeopardy or something.
You may not like how Rob said it, but it’s actually precisely the point. There were probably a dozen times during the video when Martin complained about something being difficult (like grouping dynamics, or pasting to a specific rhythmic position), and insisted that, even after 8 months of using it, he didn’t read the manual. As a result, there are plenty of times where he missed the intended solution. A cursory Google search would have solved most of those objections.
Whatever. He can criticize Dorico all he wants, I don’t care. In fact, those of us who love Dorico were actually looking forward to his review (at least I was). But his basic premise was invalid. He’s obsessed with one metric: “This software must do what I want without me learning anything about it.”
If he wants to use a pro software to do pro work, but can’t be bothered to read the documentation on it, there’s not much anyone can do for him.
As to whether his other reviews were valid… I have no idea. I’ve never used Sibelius or Musescore. I’m looking forward to his review of Finale, which I imagine will be quite cathartic for me.
It’s desirable for a program to be accessible by a beginner, but in the end, do I really care? Not really. I’d much rather see what a power user can do with a program than a beginner. Adobe Photoshop is the industry standard in its field. It is incredibly complex and used by the top photographers, visual artists, and graphic designers in the world. Should I care if a MS Paint user thinks it’s too hard to use and isn’t going to use 99% of its functionality?
Tantacrul’s video, while at times amusing, is incredibly disingenuous. He focuses on inefficient methods no power user is ever going to use (mouse vs keyboard commands), while blatantly ripping off some of Dorico’s better design elements for a competitor. (See MuseScore 4 preview here.)
100% with Fredgunn. And, like Dan, I really wanted to see that video, but it was nothing but disappointing. Even solutions he offers are not on par with what’s already in the program (his simplified Setup mode). And honestly, when we discovered his plans for MuseScore 4… Shameful!
With respect, don’t take it too literally. They’re just brief labels for different aspects of the program.
Leaving aside the fact Play has never been “just Play”, not even from v1, are you saying that the UI should change “Play” to “Piano Roll” (also there from v1) because that would be more user friendly?
This is an old thread, because it’s old news. Still I want to give a few pence from a pretty new Dorico-User. The bespoke video made me really laugh a lot, but it’s the worst tutorial ever*!
[*For example: Why on earth would anyone want to move dynamics manually with the mouse, a squinted eye and a thumb if Dorico does it perfectly via Group Dynamics?]
@jeanne4000 I’m not sure if this has been highlighted to you already as well, but if not: earlier this year we published a written guide for new users called First Steps. It’s helpful particularly for people who prefer to read a tutorial rather than follow videos, and so is a nice complement so some of the excellent introduction videos my colleagues have made over the years, including the one you link above.
Don’t wish to keep this topic going particularly but was reminded of it today when i was working on a large file in sibelius and my toddler came in and mashed the notes on my midi keyboard. “oh i wish it wasn’t so easy to bugger everything up” I thought as I hit multiple undos and a quick save…
This is the first time I’ve looked at Lillie’s First Steps. These roughly 100 pages are a clear concise explanation of 90+% of everything you will ever need. Highly recommended.
this is my most hated feature in Sibelius. Even after years of using it, I still made (and make on the rare occasions I need to return to it) the same old mistakes.
I missed this - but thank you! I am one of those that especially appreciate the ones you can read. Not against videos ever, but text is great when I want to work along. And yah, this thread needs to die.
There’s a rather glorious feature on these new forums that allows you to mute a thread so it never appears again. I’m only back on this thread because… I don’t know why, actually. But muted once more it shall be.
