"Some" VST Insruments are out of tune.

Oh, that’s what technical support told me when I contacted them back then.

They could certainly tune those samples, just as anyone could. I suppose those who own Halion 6 could tune the sample on their own as well.

Ah yes, of course. I was referring to having the instruments play back in the DAW as they were played live, i.e., without tuning artifacts, etc.

It would be good to know if this is a bug in newer versions rather than something inherent to the recording or initial programming of the presets.
Mmarni seemed to be suggesting the identical patches were playing in tune in HSSE2.

Just tested SR Thuddy Bass and Texas Boogie (H6 +20) (HS3 +20) (SE2 0)

I don’t think multiple whole instruments being 20 cents sharp is the same as previously reported issues about individual notes or lower registers being out of tune to rest of instrument.

More tuned data.

I up dated Halion 6 to 0.10 this week.
If I click on the Steinberg logo - about:
Halion 6 version 6.0.10.1038
Halion Sonic 3 version 3.010.1038
Halion Sonic SE 2 version 2.02.89

Funky Single Coil (H6 +11) (HS3 +11) (HSSE2 0)

Thick Pick (H6 +20) (HS3 +20) (HSSE2 +4) what I consider good (0)

Fingered Music Man (H6 + 25) (HS3 +25) (HSSE2 +4) again on average, good.

Cinematic Strings (H6 0) (HS3 0) (HSSE 0)

So yes my Halion Sonic SE 2 is as far as I know good, what makes it even more strange.
And I love the philosophy that music cannot be in tune, true. But lets get closer.

MM

I don’t think they need to be re-recorded, you can get them back into tune within Halion yourself so I’m sure it can be done in the background in an update (once they check every sound!).

Additionally, as already suggested these include instruments that were in tune in the previous version of Halion Sonic SE (I just checked this for myself). Something within Halion 6 has de-tuned them!

…and I can confirm this, my HS SE2 does not suffer from the detuning I see with Halion 6 and Sonic 3.

To avoid having this entire conversation again: moved to the Halion issues forum.

I figure you’ve already checked for this stuff but just in case:

  1. I have a MIDI Controller here that has a pitch bend wheel. Presently my pitch-bend wheel is not properly calibrated (it is off center with the spring, so at rest it’s not sending 0, but something a good 30 cents or more sharp)…it also sends intermittent data at times. Like a ‘real piano’, I have to take this thing apart every year or so, clean it up, and re-calibrate (sometimes even replace) stuff.

Sometimes this controller starts acting up when I don’t have time to mess with it. So, I go into the preferences of my DAW (Cubase 9 in my case) and filter out pitch bends (or use a global transformer to filter them out), or use something like a Cubase transformer, Bomes, or Bidule to intercept the pitch-bend events and ‘correct’ them in real time.

Before going back to work, I typically go into HALion and use my mouse to flick the pitch bend wheel in each instrument slot to insure it resets back to zero.

This thing drives me nuts with Dorico right now…as I’ve not yet discovered how to filter pitch bend (It always accepts all MIDI input, so I can’t reroute the stream through Bome for filtering or a real-time correction). I just have to unplug it for now, as it’s always knocking instruments BAD out of tune. Eventually I’ll get around to opening it up and re-position the wheel mounting and tune up the spring…something I’ve had to do with many MIDI controllers over the years every year or so.

  1. Some patches might be designed to alter the tuning a bit based on key-velocity, or keyboard mapping. I.E. Playing harder/faster might make it go sharp. I.E. Lower notes to the left of a given note might go flat while higher notes to the right go sharp. If you have such a patch in SE or Sonic, I’m afraid you are stuck with it. If you have full blown HALion, you can disable such velocity/pitch based tuning schemes with a few clicks.

This is not due to any of that.

Hi MMarni,
I’m able to reproduce it here. Its now in our Defect-Tracking-System and listed as Bug-ID “HALLY-7007”.
I really hope we can provide a fix for it soon.

Thanks for your report and please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Gerrit Junge

Thanks for letting me know.
Good luck with solving that problem.
Sorry that I had to be the one who found out.

I am going to do my little good feeling dance.

MM

I’m so glad this was addressed. Everything sounds so good again, thank you…what a relief! :smiley:

Thanks Stephen57 for letting me know.

Most of the time I find a workaround with issues
but with this one I thought that all the music lovers had to know.

Thanks people from Steinberg for this Quick-Hot-Fix.
Thanks people from this forum for making some noise with me on this issue.

MMarni.

I’m not sure what the hotfix mentioned above might be, but since downloading SE3 I’ve noticed that the Trumpet Combi (used with Dorico and the Small Flute Organ) is quite flat (-25 cents or so). This was NOT a problem with SE2. What has changed? And how can I solve the issue without readjusting pitch in every previously scored piece?

Hi dwlarson,

you should check if the latest HALion Sonic SE is installed.
Here the download link:
https://www.steinberg.net/index.php?id=downloads_halion_sonic_se_3&L=0

I don’t know nothing about Dorico, unfortunately.
But with Cubase, I use the tuner.
And I use it “always” with new instruments.
And after every update I check every instrument I use, again.

I think it is the best way to be sure to create in tune music…

Hi dwlarson,
could you please provide me your “Trumpet Combi” preset that worked in HSSE2 but not in HSSE3, so that I can try to find out what’s going on?

best regards
Gerrit

I did update to SE3.1.0 (I previously had v3.0.1) but it didn’t seem to make any difference. I also ran the content updater but nothing changed. The “Trumpet Combi” is from the Halion Symphonic Orchestra, and the “Small Pipe Organ” is from the SE2 Pro Set (see attached). I have to sharp the trumpet combi about +25 cents to be in tune with the organ.

I don’t think it’s a problem with just this score, but I haven’t tried creating a new one with the same instruments to see if it’s the same problem. Any ideas?
Trumpet Combi - SE3 flat.PNG.jpg
Trumpet Combi - SE3 flat2.PNG.jpg

It’s the Small Pipe Organ that’s too sharp.

Overall, almost everything in Halion Sonic SE that was taken from HalionOne could use some reprogramming.
Several sounds are out of tune, use too much cutoff (or the wrong filter velocity response), or use the wrong settings compared to the Motif Classic presets that they were supposed to imitate.

The Halion team could use the MOTIF-RACK Voice Editor for reference. This gives you access to all parameters used in the original presets even if you don’t have the original Motif around. Most of the presets have been renamed in HalionOne and Halion Sonic SE, but you can figure out which is which by looking at the samples used.


I think this is a big deal. A lot of people don’t know that Halion Sonic SE sounds very different from Halion Sonic, so ideally these old sounds should be made as usable as possible to avoid turning off potential buyers.