Sooo Close to the Project Template I Want

About to tear my hair out, and there is precious little to tear, I can tell you! :slightly_smiling_face:

I’ve watched a BUNCH of Anthony’s excellent videos., and put in a lot of work. And here is where I am.

  • I create a project with the instrumentation I like
  • Add a layout I want
  • Use the font I want.
  • In Project Info, I declare myself as composer and lyricist, add a Copyright notice with projectCompositionYear token.
  • In Engrave mode, I enter the template editor to edit FirstPage. I add two text frames above the flowTitle: layoutname and projectname, right and left. Layoutname is left justified, projectName is right justified…
  • Copy Left to Right
  • Go to Write mode, and Apply the changes.
  • Save As Template.

The project I am starting from now looks just the way I want it. If I close the project, and create a new project from that template, FOR SOME REASON THE PROJECTNAME IS LEFT-JUSTIFIED! I’ve repeated this process too many times, and now am qualified to accept Einstein’s defintiion of insanity.

I could live with this for now, but of course it means that something is not copasetic. And that worries me.

Below are screen shots of template edit, then project after template edit, then a new project. I’ve also included the (silenced) project file.

Thanks in advance.

SilencedHandrittenMusical.dorico (1.3 MB)

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Hi @chuckpuckett ,

Here is a solution:

You need to double click in the {@projectTitle@} text frame, highlight the text inside and select the positioning in the pop-up text tool.

The recommended solution is to do the same at the Page Templates and click Apply:

Then Save as Project Template. When I open it as project everything is in place, as expected.

Here is the corrected project file, so you could directly save it as template:
SilencedHandrittenMusical-edit.dorico (1.3 MB)

Good luck! :slight_smile:

It worked correctly for me. I downloaded your file, changed the alignment to right, saved as template, and did “New from template.” It shows correctly.

You did have a page override on that, which I cleared before saving. Not sure if that was the source of the problem.

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I had decided to just soldier on and manually right justify the offending element. More important to spend trial version time learning Dorico chops. But then I noticed you had actually provided me an edited template. So, I downloaded it, opened and saved as template. Here is the result of New Project from your template. As you can see, the anomaly persists. But like said, more important to learn composition techniques in the waning moments of my trial.

I would recommend looking into paragraph styles, and creating a right-aligned paragraph style for the project title – that way wherever you apply this “project title” paragraph style, the text should be right-aligned.

You can save paragraph styles as default by clicking the star, which makes them available in all projects.

Paragraph styles are how Dorico ensures the project title is big and centered, while the composer name is smaller and right-aligned, for example.

Okay. THAT seems to have done the trick.
I wonder if there is an annotation required in documentation?
Thanks so much.
NOW, I will soldier on to hopefully make Dorico as 2nd nature as Sibelius!

Here are some existing pointers towards paragraph styles:

Is there somewhere else in the manual that you would expect to find such a pointer, which doesn’t yet exist?

Only insofar as they pertain to editing page templates. Without your suggestion w.r.t. paragraph styles, I would have thought that simply right justifying a text frame would be sufficient to have it take effect in the page template.

The help on page templates you point to does mention Paragraph Styles, but not that I would need to create a new style. That dialog was of course where I applied right justification. And chose font size, etc.

Should one always use paragraph styles when editing page templates? Left and center justification seem to work fine.

I thought there was some problem about using custom styles in Page Templates. The styles used to replicate in the Paragraph Style pull-down; has that been fixed then?

If you use File > New from Template, any text overrides in Text Frames on Page Templates will be preserved exactly as you set them.

If you use the Hub > Create New, which allows you to set the Project Title and Composer, some text overrides in Text Frames on Page Templates will not be preserved. These include horizontal alignment.

Either don’t use Create New from the Hub, or set up Paragraph Styles that do exactly what you want, rather than setting text to have any old Paragraph Style and then override it in the Page Template Editor.

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Hmmm. That seems to be a weird inconsistency. And the first time I’ve encountered such an anomaly in Dorico.

I don’t like it either, but it’s how it’s worked ever since user templates were implemented.

Thank you, pianoleo. This solved the exact, same problem for me.

Thanks a lot, pianoleo. I can confirm the solution. I hope they will fix it because opening from the hub is easier. Also, do you know if it is possible to keep the window size and the tool panel layout?

Just a bump to request this be fixed so that choosing a template from the hub keeps text overrides from the template. :slight_smile: