Space before 1st beat/note in a system

Am I observing correctly that the space between clef or sigs and the first note/beat in a system is included in justification? And am I missing the way to set it as fixed at an ideal value unless compression is needed?
Thanks as always!

(Not sure if I understand your question correctly, so please ignore if I didn’t)

You can set a lot of Spacing Gaps in Engraving options

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Hope you don’t mind if I respond (to make sure I was clear.) The gaps following clefs, sigs, etc… are set, but I am seeing those gaps expanded by as much as an extra space in loosely filled staves. I can understand that variability as a way to maintain detailed proportionality in system spacing. But… that difference from system to system in placement of the first beat is graphically distracting.

I’m not seeing that. Here’s the first bar in a normally spaced system of music.

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And here’s the same bar if I put a system break on the second bar, forcing the first bar to be spread across the whole system.

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It looks to me like that first beat is in the same horizontal position in both cases.

I also just pulled up a couple of random pages of music, and I can run a ruler down the first beat of each system (or you can use the grid/rulers in Dorico).

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I think I’ve figured this out as having to do with lyrics. (I’m seeing this in a PV.) There may be some algorithmic distinction between the type of syllable that leads off the system, hyphen settings, etc… In any case, I now have some ways of playing around to figure it out.
Thanks as always for the input!

Well, it is clear that if the first beat in a system has a middle or end lyric syllable, the placement of that beat will be indented by the hyphen. As you’ll see in the pdf, that indentation is inconsistent. In fact, the 1st beat in bar 54 is about 1.125 space farther in than it is in bar 50. Graphic shift of the hyphen itself has no effect, so I guess the issue is actually spacing in the previous system.