Special Case Repeat Structure (involving D.S. back to repeated section, then jump to Coda)

I have a special instance in a piece where I want to use “D.S. al Coda” to have the music jump back to a repeated section, which should be played TWICE THROUGH, then use “To Coda” to have the music jump to the Coda. My issue is that on the D.S., Dorico only wants to go through the repeated section ONCE before jumping to the Coda. [BTW, earlier in the piece when the repeated section initially happens, the section actually does play through twice. It’s only on the D.S. that it only plays through once before jumping to the Coda.]

I’ve read through a couple similar scenarios - with answers from @johnkprice (who seems to be the reigning expert on this topic!!) - but nothing that has offered a solution for me :frowning: I’m attaching a simple example Dorico file setup with the repeat scenario I want, described above. Just below is a description of the road map for this example file:

  • M1-2, normal
  • M3-10, TWICE THROUGH: First time no Flute, Trumpet, Bells. Second time through, those instruments play.
  • M11-18, normal, then (because of D.S. al Coda) jump back to M3
  • M3-10, TWICE THROUGH: First time no Flute, Trumpet, Bells. Second time through, those instruments play. AFTER the second time through this section (because of the “To Coda”) jump to the Coda (M19)
  • M19-22 (end), normal

THANKS IN ADVANCE for any help @johnkprice (or anyone else) can provide!

Repeat Example (Scott Watson).dorico (1.6 MB)

Select the DS al Coda and check Replay Repeats

For more advanced repeat structures, I’m not sure it works, but it did here.

Funny, that doesn’t work for me – I also had to move the “To Coda” one 32nd later (after the barline). I’m not sure if there’s some other way of getting this to work.

@drscottwatson Note that when a property has a toggle and a checkbox, the toggle makes the override active and the checkbox indicates whether the property is true or false. So even without the To Coda, the way you had the “Replay repeats” property set ensured that repeats would not be taken: the toggle says “do what I’m telling you here”, and the unticked checkbox says “don’t take repeats”. You could also deal with this by just turning off the toggle, which says “no override, follow the global option”. (And you have the global option set to play repeats after a DS.)

I too needed to move the To Coda a smidge beyond the barline.

Hmmm…didn’t work for me and I think I did what you described. However, when I moved the “To Coda” a 32nd note later, as @asherber mentioned (and confirmed by @Janus), that did work.

THANKS - this worked! I appreciate the explanation, too.

Odd, it worked for me directly. Could be different in latest version.

The reason that @Mats_Frendahl was able to get the desired playback by selecting the D.S. al Coda and checking Replay repeats is because he is using a version of Dorico prior to 6.2.30, for which the Version History says

If a repeat jump coincides with an end repeat barline, the repeat jump now correctly takes precedence.

Using the latest version of Dorico, it is possible to get the desired playback without moving the To Coda marker. Start by replacing the D.S. al Coda with a D.S. using the Custom text property to make it look like a D.S. al Coda. Add a Segno and a D.S. at the start of bar 9, then copy the D.S. and paste it twice. At a different rhythmic position, add a D.S. al Coda and move it to the start of bar 9. Now select all five repeat markers which were just added or pasted, set their Marker index property to 2 and activate their Hide property.

Here is the revised project:
Repeat Example (Scott Watson) revised.dorico (1.6 MB)

THANK YOU so much for taking a look at this and sending the solution - MUCH appreciated!!

Yes, apparently that was it. Nonetheless, THANK YOU so much for taking a look at my file to help!