Ah, sorry, didn’t read the complete thread. 
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Hey, no worries.
If you dont update this year for 100 …next year you ll have to pay 200…in case that you dont want to remain lost in time….in terms of functions
And if you update from even earlier releases, like Cubase 4 or 5 or 6, etc, the update price is 250.
So where is the yearly update fee here?
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The same amount over two years time. Either 100+100 or 0+200. Still equals 200.
Or the user can skip two upgrades and pay 0+0+250, i.e. a “savings” of 50.
Update from Cubase 11 all the way back to Cubase 4 is £207.
Yes, at the time i requested 7.5, i think the actual was cubase 11, so they told me that i can buy the cubase 11 licences and they will help me set a licence for xp with 7.5, however, no other support than licencing!
I add to buy the usb device by myseld and hack myself the thing according their instruction, so clearly not easy, but possible!
Well even if you furnish the actual material as a master, i really think that any Hardware like latest roland, or yamaha , even a simple xv5080, will do as good or better than those supersampled xxxGB library! A good sampler sound engine beat any supersampled library!
Of course like everyone whose get success, privilieged background especially even more today, with a luck of hell actually!
However He did in the earlier what they told to him to buy the gears, as mentioned in his interview:
It’s only at the end of his career which he has really enjoyed composition freedom with a spectacular system never surpassed, nor replicated as today!
He even mentioned that without any incomes from whatever they came, it’s clearly impossible to make a living with electronic HW music! Most of his income financed what he got at the end!
He was right(see the end)!
You’re wrong, i was recording live the audio on hardrive recorder at the end (RTR at beginning) and the midi into a sequencer certainly cubase for midi! The assistant couldn’t get the final score without both of them, midi for basic score, and audio for instruments score add-on!
This said time are changing, and only super prod still use an orchestra (for what they could still add because after AD conversion it’s just as good as poopies, i used ti listen to non amplified orchestral concert, the sound was amazing, today i use analog support), for the rest it’s just digital poopies, so what’s the point about good sound source for that!
And yes, never acoustic instrument will sound good on digital!
That’s why i’m doing electronic, or comedy digital acoustic (absolutely not credible if you have ever listened to analog/true orchestral music)
I spend 40 years working on it.
At the exception that it’s not all acoustic rack and i miss the vangelis dedicated midi router, it’s quite the same.
There is about 30 racks that i currently never used all simultaneously the 96 A/D track.
Left everything off, and actually trying to investigate more thoughtfully, each rack type making their dedicated controller (where cubase come in andy) and i took me just 2 years full times for just a few off them!
The thing i didn’t thought off, vangelis never tweaked the sounds, he was only using preset on rack!
So no it don’t work!
It could be incredibly powerful an flexible, but too much work to do with controllers, no space anymore (there about 18 bcr2000, and it should be at least twice of them) and again the sound is poopies except for some very old of them!
So exceptional waste of money and time, for a non privileged musician! Was too ambitious project!
As 2019, full analog clone are available!
I will spend 10 time less for a ready to use 16 midi track true analog sound perhaps 1/100 of the power of the digital rack studio, but this one will works as easily as switching a power button, and will sound as fun as good!
As i never going to be dapt punk now, i think it’s time to stop wast time with thing that don’t work (digital), and try to enjoy really what i wanted to do 40 years ago, playing synth, like i play a guitar!
For the rest this topic is absolute nonsense!
Some people are learning today the computer software business plan instated for most compagnie (microsoft) around 1996! (steinberg is the first i think and especially the worst dongle, thousand of code line making everything less performant for that poopies protection, etc)
So there is even not what about to complain!
You like it , you pay!
You don’t need update, you don’t!
You don’t like the concept, just buy hardware, or go linux and free stuff!
Furthermore cubase was dead as soon as the first version with audio processing came out!
I still don’t know why they did not change the name!
The initial software was meant to be a midi sequencer.
It’s like windows who died with xp version!
They are just trans mutated all in one software/Os that frankly just are all the same today, plus/minus some little thing, and of course an historical layout!
Studio will always use pro tools for audio processing!
Linux can do just better if you can learn the layout and for free!
So what still not understood, yes today computer is poopies, it’s the poor man creative tool which eventually will make you even poorer, each x/years (You hase to buy a new everything), with absolutely nothing in tangible domain or remaining after ending any digital creative activity!
Plus it sound poopies, it look poopies, and fake!
That’s good for gamers who spends everything on it, or commercial musicians/compagnies with commercial incomes who don’t care at all about music/video/picture, etc…
True artist are physical!
“Now shut up, and keep doing!”
Total balderdash. Nonsense. BS. And the company has posted so here on the forum. Look online – another company is doing that with Cubase. But Steinberg has kept the old model, they have stated that that have no intention of doing subscriptions.
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Let’s not. The fact that Steinberg has remained non-subscription is one of the biggest reasons I stay loyal to them.
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Haha … "balderdash’ good word., love it! “BS”… we’ll see.
I reference “QLab” ( https://qlab.app ) which is an AMAZING playback app for sound and lighting design in the live theater/ live event space. VERY successful.
A perpetual license is expensive ('ish ) … $1200 , which includes updates between major versions. Then the user can choose to stay with their existing version forever ( thus ‘perpetual’ or pay for a discounted update). Just like SB products. No complaint from me BTW. I’m happy to pay.
OR you can rent the app for $12 per day. Enter the dates you want, pay up and go for it. I’ve done this several times for a couple of theatrical jobs (which pay very little ) and for which this app makes me look awesome. But I dont need it all the time, so the perpetual license doesnt make economical sense. So I spring for a couple of weeks, the production can afford that, I get the latest and greatest capabilities, and everyone is happy. Power users buy the full license every time it is updated and get to dig in to understand the best possible usage and become stars 
Pretty cool IMO. Schools, colleges, regional theaters, hobby sound designers all love the model… it gives them same access as Broadway designers… on demand.
It’s a time-limited subscription. “Subscriptions” are not an objectively “evil” thing.
If SB users don’t want to pay for regular ( annual ) updates, this kind of thing would be a totally valid OPTION ( … OPTION… get it? ). A business benefits from providing its customers with options. And that is just a fact.
Dunno, I never followed every single release. Some don’t do it for me. I also always wait for sales and this works pretty well for me.
OK, did you manage to get to work with 7.5?
Have you got evidence to support this? Any demos that rival the latest orchestral sound libraries?
I grew up in the era of hardware studios and I personally don’t remember any machine or demo that blew me away. Unless you can demonstrate the contrary?
Agreed.
Not surprised, but he was well of to start with.
Sorry, I don’t know if I misunderstood this, you were in the recording Studio with Vangelis?
Of course they do, the orchestra cannot be surpassed.
Yes, AD conversion is indeed as good as poopies.
That’s both hilarious and disappointing .
It sounds like a plan! Enjoy!!
Yes, it works flawlessly, never crash even after 12hour session, audio latency is as low as real below 10ms (after like windows 7 or 10 the latency is ten time slower), just those midi note off which are cutting the live reliability but that’s a cubase known issue. However it’s a stand alone computer (no network)
What?
Vangelis did use rack older than xv5080, and sounded already as good as digital can, today you could use straight his track without true orchestral playback for today release! Just listen to him while making them real time and tell me it’s not sufficiently good???
For me a sampler is a sampler, every sampler are the same, i actually never played with vst one, but i do actually make an old type electronic track (from the sixties), i had to set a cello, and a flute on the motif es, of course these are not original preset but sound actually as good as digital can, the motif is known for having a complex expression feature, that even was why they cancel the VA expansion card!
Regarding the xv-5080, the inbox orchestral sound are just phenomenal!
I’m not sure what you talking about but as good as digital can orchestral sound were available late 90!
And content library for those sampler are still available
A today roland, or yamaha rolls roye, is not doubt of it far superior to supersampled library of cubase!
Having worked for many years with sampler/ing, it’s not the weight of the library which count, but how you set the sample!
Well actually he was first in a band, then had done a lot of stupid tv show for money, however yes come from a quite rich family!
Agree, but after digital processing, quite a lot is loose, and beside the expression which never will be of course surpassed, the sound core is quite equivalent!
If you consider poor quality speaker for most people, movie content + FX, I don’t think people will have enough time to concentrate on the orchestral sound quality!
This said again for a good orchestral listening, i will use analog support with older B.O!
This sounds pretty bad, as bad as I remember it:
Roland XV-5080 Factory Demo Song - “1. Epic Passage” (48kHz mode)
I couldn’t find anything from Vangelis and the XV-5080 producing orchestral music, nor anything before that, with other units. Can you share something?
If you are referring to synth sounds, then fine, but I was talking about orchestral emulation.
Again, can you back that up? Have you got any work done with these synths to prove that they rival today’s latest and best VSTi orchestral libraries?
Well, show me, give me some examples. I don’t remember anywhere in the 90’s hearing an emulated orchestra and being blown away, or at least question if this was real or not.
Hey let me some time to answer i didn’t finnish!
Whatever your link is actually ten miles way from the true sound of the xv5080!
I will give you better link…
(3) Roland XV-5080: Is It Worth It? - YouTube
Roland XV-5080 “Planet XV” Soundset 128 Presets
It sound just incredible in front of it!
Their is nothing else valuable on the net about the xv5080!
You need a true test, not those video poopies video anyway!
Vangelis:
VANGELIS -Demostración
Sound Of Cinema - The Music That Made The Movies (Vangelis’ scenes)
those racks are from late 90
No need of computer, nor supersampled library when you have talent!
They sound amazing, but are not orchestral, anyway, we can do this all day 
Peace, and have fun with your new creations.
Well i have it , i know what i’m talking about!
Anyway have fun!
You too, 