Stemlet issues

[A version of this post was earlier tagged onto Beaming over rest without stemlet but I’ve separated out the different issues here and deleted my earlier post]

In the example below I want the beaming of the four-eighths-groups to look like:

I get that to have the beam extension I need to invoke stemlets and then hide those stemlets individually. That’s a drag but not the end of the world.

Here though, when I use right-click Force Stemlet Beam (as below in the scond part of the bar) I get my stemlet over the eighth-note rest, but also a stemlet over the dotted-sixteenth rest, which I don’t want and, as a consequence of that, an extra sixteenth beam that I don’t want and can’t get rid of.

What I can’t figure out is how to persuade Dorico to allow me a stemlet over the eighth-note-rests but not over the dotted-sixteenth rests.

I can’t use the Notation Options>Beam Grouping>Allow rests within beams over rests and at start and end of beams because it puts extra beams everywhere where I don’t want, which I can’t selectively remove.

I can’t have different beaming options for different instruments.

Nor can I change the beam-grouping rules globally just for a few bars without making a new flow.

Going round in circles here, any tips much appreciated

You can, but you will have to beam manually just the notes on the places where you don’t want to include rests. Not ideal.

Jesper

Hi

I’m obviously missing something fundamental here - could you explain in more detail, thanks

[EDIT] ah you mean with Notation Options>Beam Grouping>Allow rests within beams over rests and at start and end of beams ?

yes I know that works but the knock-on re-editing in this case is horrific…might be the only way though.

Yes, that’s what I meant. It’s not ideal since it will be a lot of manual work.

Jesper

it would be just fine if rather than

Allow rests within beams over rests and at start and end of beams

Dorico didn’t retrospectively

Force rests within beams over rests and at start and end of beams

It assumes that what I want is to have all my notes now beamed to any rests in that rhythmic group.

so annoying.

thanks though

Is this what you’re looking for?

I created a new notehead set containing an eighth notehead which looks like an eighth rest. Then I added eighth notes on beats one and five, changed their noteheads to use the new notehead set, and hid their stems in engrave mode.

Hi yes that also works thanks, and if there were only a handful this might be the most efficient way to go.