? Stereo Linked sent to Group Loses Stereo Panners on Mix Ch

Postby Chris Beuermann » 04 Feb 2011 14:43
This is how it works:
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  1. The issue should be ideally confirmed by other forum members to exclude a single system glitch or absurdity

Can someone try this to see if it truly is a bug or an absurdity?


  1. We need a detailed reproducible case

**- I created a new project and imported 4 mono 24 bit 48 Khz tracks.
( one mono bass, two mono (one l+ one r 180 out of phase with l) plus a single mono, center track.
note: this is the typical mid-side stereo setup with the addition of an additional isolated bass track: a jazz quartet jam.
(upright bass, ac. piano, jazz el. guitar, drumset…later on others sitting in for the jam)

  • I highlighted the tracks in the pool and control clicked (right clicked) on the group of audio tracks and
    inserted them at the start of the song on separate mono tracks.

  • I created two group tracks, one for the bass and one for everything else I called Stereo Pre-Mix

  • I sent the bass group to the Stereo Pre-Mix group also. The Stereo Pre-Mix group to the final Stereo Out.

  • I panned the two mono (side) tracks in opposite directions (one hard left, the other hard right) and since they were from the same mic’s figure 8 pattern, I put one 180 degrees out of phase with it’s brother.
    In reality they were originally one mono track from an AKG 414 in figure 8 mode and by creating a clone in finder and after importing putting it at 180 degrees out of phase, it’s like getting the other side of the large diaphram, a neat recording trick…created when you hard pan the both in opposite directions. You then bring in the center mic to create the stereo field effect to your liking…wider or narrower…
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  • I THEN LINKED THE TWO MONO & PANNED TRACKS AND SENT THEIR OUTPUTS TO THE STEREO GROUP PRE-MIX BUSS.
    -> THE STEREO PANNER FOR BOTH TRACKS DISAPPEARED AND AUDIO FOR BOTH TRACKS BECAME CENTERED MONO FOR BOTH.

I unlinked them and sent them elsewhere and the panners came back.**

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