still no sidechain into VST Instruments?

Quote from Access Virus TI OS 5.0 release info:
“Side chaining into audio instruments is currently not supported in Steinberg Cubase. This
issue needs to be addressed by Steinberg.”

I’ve been wanting to do this in Cubase for several years. Any news for 7.x?

Maybe I should put this up as a Feature Request.

If they supported VST3 they could have sidechain

They do but Cubase doesn’t support it!

weird. I have a number of VST3s from various companies and side chain works fine in them

I think he is talking about the Virus, which is a slightly different scenario than a VSTi.

I am talking about VST Instruments, not VST Effects.
I have no problem with side chaining with VST3 Effects, only in VST3 Instruments. Like the Access Virus TI VSTi.

It works with VST3 Instruments too, just not external instruments using the VSTi interface (like th TI).

The Virus TI VSTi is a normal VSTi. No difference in VSTi specifications. It works in other DAWs.

(Im not using it as an external instrument)

So, you have the external synth disconnected and all the sounds are coming from the plugin?

You dont seem to know how the Virus TI works. It is DSP just like UAD. VST is VST. And yes, I only use the USB.
It works fine in all the other big DAWs.

What VST3 Instruments that has sidechain input are you talking about - that works with Cubase?

disconnect that USB and let me know how that goes for you.

DSP based VST Plugins are the exact same as plugins run on native CPU when it comes to input/output interfaces - they follow the same VST specifications / SDK. Either you are trolling, or you actually think that this has something to do with with the fact that DSP is used instead av native CPU. It is not so.

You said that some other VST3 Instruments can take side chain input signal within Cubase. Can you please tell me an example of such a VST Instrument?

This feature has been well requested before, both in this forum but also in the old forum:
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=862637&sid=d88ee70d26f0df3b1ad49c81f50301e3

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disconnect that USB and let me know how that goes for you.[/quote]

lol connect your virus usb with your printer and let me know how that goes for you :exclamation:

Side chaining into audio instruments is currently not supported in Steinberg Cubase. This
issue needs to be addressed by Steinberg.

AYFKM Guys? :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation:

Let’s get this sorted already!!! :nerd:

From what I can see on the Access home page, it’s not a VSTi at all. It’s more of a control-panel for the hardware synth. All audio generation is made in the hardware, not in the Access Control Plug-in.

http://www.virus.info/virusti/specs (check the “Software” section)

I did.

Virus Control VST/AU/RTAS compatible virtual instrument plug-in included > to create an audio link in between the host sequencer and Virus hardware synthesizer> .

I.e. The plug-in only controls the hardware. The actual audio is generated in the hardware not in the plug-in! According to the description, it should be regarded as a specialised audio interface, not a VSTi.

Yes, the plugin controls the hardware, ie the DSP in the hardware. But the audio is sent via USB, by option, to the VSTi Interface so it acts exactly as any normal VSTi. It’s not that it doesn’t work at all in Cubase, it just the sidechain INPUT features like the Vocoder can’t be used in VST Instrument mode. It CAN be loaded as VST Effect and then it works, but then you can only have ONE output instead of THREE stereo outputs. Of course you can use it as an external synth also, and use your soundcards inputs. But then you loose the whole concept of TI.

Have you heard about a company called Universial Audio? Would you say that their UAD-2 DSP Cards and the VST plugins aren’t real VST plugins just because the audio is calculated through DSP and not inte computers CPU?

Anyways. This topic is about VST Instrument sidechain INPUT and not about the Virus TI.
All other major DAWs supports VST Instruments sidechain, but not Cubase.

Steinberg knows about this issue and they have acknowledged it.

UAD cards have DSP chips to support their VST EFFECTS…! There are no instruments AFAIK.

Your opening quote from Access Virus TI also says it right there, that SB’s Cubase doesn’t support sidechaining into audio instruments (i.e. they are making the distinction between VST instruments and audio instruments - hardware, in other words).

So, it is the title of your thread that is wrong/misleading. Maybe:-

“Still no sidechain into external audio hardware”

UAD cards have DSP chips to support their VST EFFECTS…! There are no instruments AFAIK.

Correct. And The Virus TI CAN also be run as a VST Effect - and then it works with sidechain audio input! :laughing:

Your opening quote from Access Virus TI also says it right there, that SB’s Cubase doesn’t support sidechaining into audio instruments (i.e. they are making the distinction between VST instruments and audio instruments - hardware, in other words).

No, you are making the wrong assumption. If you really want to know about this, go to their forum or talk to Steinberg.

So, it is the title of your thread that is wrong/misleading. Maybe:-

“Still no sidechain into external audio hardware”

Hehe, that makes no sense at all. External Audio Hardware having audio input has nothing to do with Cubase.
You are totally missunderstanding. The difference here is between VST EFFECT and VST INSTRUMENT. Cubase already supports sidechaining audio input to VST EFFECTS but NOT to VST INSTRUMENTS.

Cubase doesn’t support sidechaining audio input to VST Instruments. Period. Or do you know ANY VST Instrument that has sidechaining audio input support that ALSO works with Cubase? (I’m honest in my question here)

It’s part of the VST(i)3 spec but Steinberg chose not to implement it into Cubase. Priorities. Other DAWs can do this already.

So, let me explain again about the Virus TI:
The Virus TI can take audio input if you load it a VST INSERT EFFECT in Cubase (or if you use it as pure hardware and hard wire the synth’s input to any audio output source).
But NOT when loading the Virus TI as a VST Instrument. THIS is a problem with Cubase. This works in other DAWs. :confused:
So why even bother maybe you wonder? Well, The Virus TI is multitimbral, but if you load it as an VST Effect you loose the possibility to use the rest of the stereo outputs. One vocoder and then you are full. And as I said before, Steinberg already acknowledged this a long time ago.

The thread subject is perfectly correct. :ugeek: