Strange summing problem C14 -> C15

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Hi all,

context: cubase user since version 5, professional use.
problem: opened a project i made in C14, in C15. Everything sounds the same, as expected, but the vocal group is way off in volume and tone.

Surprised by the result i investigated. I checked:

  • volume
  • automation
  • plugins
  • source files
  • master fx
  • channel settings
  • group settings
  • fx sends
  • and more

Even ran C14 and C15 alongside to find differences. There are none. Still a very audible difference in the vocal group. As a last resort i saved plugin presets and recalled them in C15, to no avail.

Looking to solve this mystery. Any help is appreciated. Cheers.

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Hi,

Could you try to isolate the issue? Try if dry audio of the tracks sounds differently. Then try wet audio tracks. Then add the Group Channel (first dry, then wet). Try to find the stage, where does it start to sounds differently, please.

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Hi Martin,

It’s at the source. Even the dry audio tracks hit a different level between platforms (i monitored audio levels with cubase’s own supervision plugin)

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Have not tried ungrouping. Will try and report back.

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Did some more testing.

Vocal tracks → stereo out → no difference

Vocal tracks → group → audible difference, with both Vocalchain engaged/bypassed
Vocal tracks → group → vocalchain instance removed → no difference

Something is up with the Vocalchain plugin. Using exactly the same settings, input and output gain, the difference in sound is incredible. And unworkable this way.

Happy to hear your thoughts.

6

Hi,

Would you mind sharing the VocalChain preset you are using, please?

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Perfect Pop Dry Vocal.

One thing i noticed while looking up the preset, is that while the plugin settings appear the same across Cubase versions:

  • In C14 the preset is perfect pop dry vocal but the vintage beefy male vocal is highlighted in the list
  • In C15 the preset is perfect pop dry vocal and that one is also correctly highlighted.
  • Again, the parameters in both applications all show the same values though. Confusing at best.

Hope you understand :slight_smile:

Happy to answer more questions if needed.

Thanks,

Boy

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Hi Martin,

Any updates on this issue?

Thanks for your help!

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Hi Martin, still looking to solve this problem. Thank you!

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I can’t explain what happened (i have never used VocalChain), but maybe to solve the concrete issue at hand, try saving the current state of the C14 Vocalchain as a new preset, then got to the C15 project’s Vocal chain and load the new preset. Worth a try.

That being said, I would of course expect the state of a plugin being correctly loaded in another Cubase version, but without having access to your projects, it is hard to guess what is going on.