Strauss Also Sprach Zarathustra

Here’s a project file of Strauss’s Also Sprach Zarathustra, if anyone wants it. (Well, the first 21 bars, anyway…)

Strauss Also Sprach Zarathustra.dorico (1.6 MB)

Matters arising:

I’m not sure why some instruments show transposition key in Abbreviated labels, when I said not to.

Also, is there an easier way of forcing different stems at all times for two Condensed instruments, other than manually condensing each one?

I’ve posted it with a Silent template, so you can apply your own template.
Unsurprisingly, Noteperformer is very good; Iconica is a bit insipid and needs some adjustment (turn off vib on trumpets, balance drums). GPO5 is still quite passable!

(I was tempted to add Deodato’s 7ths…)
The remaining 966 bars are left as an exercise to the reader…

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Great work, yours and Strauss’. Unfortunately I cannot answer the questions, but from the conductor’s perspective it’s pretty helpful to see always the transposition keys especially in the horn parts (at the end trumpets and horns are in E).

[OT] I had the honour to conduct this piece a long time ago. The low C of the organ was too loud, we had to put a handkerchief in the pipe as a mute.

And -by the way - the original score requires two bass tubas even in the opening. :wink:

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You need to put a Condensing Change at bar 1 and put both players into the same stave, in separate voices.

So indeed it has to be done manually, but only once at the start of the piece :slight_smile:

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I used the original score available on IMSLP – there’s no change of brass instrument. And the Bass Tubas don’t appear on the first page. I didn’t condense two separate parts, just for one note!

I think I’ve done that already?

Sorry, I misread your original question as “Is there an easy way of…” instead of looking at the file.
Yes, what you did in the file is exactly what one needs to do to get this result :slight_smile:
(And there is no easier way to do it.)

I guess I should have heeded the warning about opening a file created with a newer version … :person_facepalming:

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That looks like you just don’t have Sebastian – the music font I used. It’s included with Dorico 5.

Change the font to something you do have; or make sure Sebastian is installed. (And the same for Nepomuk, the text font.)

Not in the opening, right, but at fig. 56 (bar 965) for those who do the exercise.

However the tubas appear both in the opening, bar 15 is 1. only, and the A and G before the monumental tutti C Major chord is 2. only. Nevermind, just nitpicking.

Yeah … figured it out. I really do need to pay more attention to the “dialog” boxes at start-up :slight_smile:

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Looks and sounds great on the iPad with Iconica sketch - except when I put “non vib” on the trumpets, they still have vibrato. Is that a limitation of Iconica sketch? I haven’t noticed it before.

You can change the Expression map (though not sure if you can do that on the iPad) to use D0 for “Normal” instead of D#0; the latter being “Sustain Vibrato”, the former just being “Sustain”.

Though the Iconica trumpets have been described as “mariachi”…

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It’s because some of them are set to “Always” show transpositions in the name data:

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Thanks! I don’t see anything in Dorico for iPad Help when I search for expression map. The trumpets do have a mariachi vibe.

Is there a default for that? I definitely didn’t change that setting explicitly, so it’s odd that some are, and some aren’t; though it was an XML import and I changed some instruments…

It’s baked into the instrument definition. The idea is that some instruments are sufficiently “unusual” that you’d want to see the transposition even if you wouldn’t for “normal” instruments.

For what it’s worth, this is also the way we force non-transposing instruments to display an “in C” transposition, for those instruments where the normal variant is not in C (e.g. Trumpet).

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