Clint Nieweg claims to have found 20,000 (twenty thousand) errors and anomalies in the various editions. Also, a set of parts that match the Muzyka score does not exist.
That is amazing, I will have to check out his score, thank you! For what it’s worth, the mistake that jumps out to me the most is the oboe downbeat in the Introduction, one bar before rehearsal 6. Every recording I’ve heard has E natural, while the score has E#.
Every recording I’ve heard has E natural, while the score has E#.
Indeed… and in the bar before that… shouldn’t the quarter be tied to the triplet E#… 
Ah yes - that one is correct in the Dover score, but wrong in mine - now fixed, thanks.
I would not take the Dover score as the epitome of accuracy. Editions reproduced by Dover are usually chosen because they are in the public domain, rather than for any musicological accuracy. The items involving the oboe discussed above are correct in the B&H fs that I have, even though the B&H Stravinsky scores are not generally noted for their accuracy! Perhaps the B&H study score (“re-engraved edition 1967”) is generally better. It agrees with my fs in respect of the oboe.
Does anyone have a reference to Clint Nieweg’s findings? Were they published somewhere?
David
Published by Kalmus in 2000, apparently.
I suspect there are earlier reprints by Kalmus, so make sure you get the edition you want!
The Nieweg edition is now published by Serenissima.
Great, thanks Steven! An influential piece for me I studied when I was young, great opportunity to study it again and learn more about scoring with Dorico.
Looks like you used the stock condensing feature without any tweaks in settings - did it ‘just work’? If so amazing feature.
I did lots of condensing tweaks, but some of them were probably unnecessary - I was learning while doing! Many times I would do manual condensing, and then also check the box for “Inactive players: Do not condense”. That is an excellent way to hide bassoon IV, if only three bassoons are playing.
I selected that option in Notation Options, but sometimes it seemed to work better if I also checked it within the Condensing Change box. Maybe that was me being superstitious.
I went to open this today in the new Dorico 4, and curiously (for the first movement at least), the 1st bassoon part notation (and playback) disappears completely in the 4th bar??
Here is a screenshot of them side by side
And just for reference, the exact version info:
Thanks! I tried it just now and the same happens for me, both in galley view and condensed. There are tuplet rests for the Bassoon 1 part, but all the notes have disappeared, only for the first flow as far as I can tell.
I’m also noticing some problems with vertical spacing in some of the other movements here as well, and some weird balances in playback. It’s entirely possible that I had some screwy things in the file - tons of manual vertical spacing adjustments, bracketing, etc., to try and match the published version.
In Dorico 3.5 it still all looks OK.
Weirdly, just today I had Part Two open, and it seems to work fine in Dorico 4: spacing all looks the same as far as I can tell, and playback sounds decent - the trumpets seem a little softer maybe than in 3.5. Hmmmm! I did input Part Two after finishing Part One, and maybe my Dorico chops improved in the meantime, although it still has lots of manual adjustments for vertical spacing, brackets, etc. I’ll try to fix Part One, and see if it works in both Dorico 4 and 3.5.
I get the same result on my system too. That’s a pretty serious proofreading concern if D4 doesn’t retain all the notes from a D3.5 file!!! Casting off changes as well. Not unexpected I guess if notes are missing. The 2nd system of page 2 starts with bar 16 in D3.5 but bar 17 in D4. Obviously everything else beyond that is changed too. Yikes!
I was assuming that I had maybe done something wrong, but if the notes themselves no longer seem to exist, I would wager that isn’t something you could have caused…hopefully this is a bug that can be fixed somehow. The vertical spacing issues you mentioned may certainly be related to the 1st bassoon part basically vanishing from the score, so no wonder things would be screwed up, especially in the less dense sections. I’d hate to lose any music in that fashion (especially something as incredibly complex as this!)
On another note, great work again by the way! I’m studying this piece privately with my professor so this will no doubt be an INCREDIBLE resource to utilize when breaking down everything that’s going on. Trying to play back divisi by themselves are causing some issues right now in galley view, but that may be just a 3.5 issue in the meantime.
This is unfortunately a bug, see here: Dorico 4 missing notes when importing a project from Dorico 3.5
This is the sort of work that could go on the Scorico site about to come into existence.
What is this Scorico?
Read this thread:
Welcome to the forum, @avignani. It would be helpful if you could do Help > Create Diagnostic Report and upload the resulting zip file here, which will allow us to see what might be going on.
correct. Exactly same here. Diagnostics can be found here
File still opens fine in D4
Dorico Diagnostics.zip (178.9 KB)
The crash dumps were too big, they were directly sent to Steinberg anyway.
The only possible signiicant line in the log is
2023-05-24 13:49:15.783 [error] NudgeController - no content or failed to load
Of course all is working fine with Dorico 4.
