Struggling with Dorico pauses

Hi,

I’m struggling to control/understand the duration of pauses/holds/fermatas.

I have a slow tempo (q=50) and want my final pause to be ‘a bit longer’. I notice that - no matter what I do - at the last bar, the tempo drops from 50 to at most 25, such as in the settings indicated in the screen dump (1% for both Gap and Hold duration, where I freely admit not quite knowing what the latter does, but I suspect that is irrelevant). If I untick both these options, the tempo drops from MM50 to MM17, and likewise if I explicitly ask for 50% for both, which is also my personal default for ‘normal holds’. For completion’s sake: if I remove the hold, the tempo stays at MM50.

deleteme.dorico (529.4 KB)

What should I do if want not-quite-such-a-dramatic slow-down, but still want to use the ‘normal hold’ symbol?

Thanks!

(sorry, I can answer that last question myself: with a hidden tempo change)

Dorico slows the tempo in order to “create” the extra time for both the hold and the gap. I wouldn’t worry too much about what the specific values are; but what the result is.

50% hold means that the note is 1.5 times as long as a normal note. In your example, 50% would mean a 3 beat note becoming a 4.5 beat note.

To do this, Dorico reduces the played length of the note by half, drops the tempo sufficiently to allow that half to play for 3 times its ‘normal’ length; and then resets the tempo for the remaining ‘silent’ half of the note.

All in all: don’t worry about the tempi numbers: just experiment with values until you get what you want . if you just want to add “a bit” of time to the note, then just add something like 15%, and see what that’s like.
If you don’t want an additional gap after the note, set it to 0%.

But that’s not what I’m observing. I’m seeing that with a 1% hold, the note becomes twice as long (as the tempo drops by 50%). And I don’t see a way to get “only a bit longer”.

A 1% hold seems to work for me, in making the note all but its default length (as if there were no pause.)

Can you supply a sample document that displays the problem?

What about something like 15%?

To help understand what is happening, select the pause and open the key Editor to show the tempo track

Then play around with different hold/gap durations and see what happens.

That’s not what happens for me. That sample file is included in the original post.

In the tempo-track (that I’m not very proficient with), it looks similar to yours.


To clarify, this is with only a 1 (!) % for both hold and gap duration. In fact, it looks like these properties don’t have any effect at all.

When I open your file and reveal Hold Duration for the fermata, the value is 50, as expected.


I don’t see the 1%, you mention.

Correct, in this version it was switched off, apologies for the confusion. But more importantly, when you play it, does the MM drop from 50 to 17 and produce a ridiculously long pause?

I think, maybe, you have stumbled upon a bug, because it would appear you can’t set the Hold tempo higher than half the preceding tempo, even when dragging the handle in the Tempo editor. And I don’t remember it being like this earlier.
You can cheat it, though,
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if you add a tempo handle (the orange handle) and drag it upwards. After doing this you can raise the Hold handle (but still no higher than half the value of the added handle). The Gap handle, on the other hand, is freely adjustable.

The tempo does drop to 17, but the last note plays for 4.5 beats, as expected.

Hmm. Maybe you’re right, and the length is right, even though the tempo indication is erroneous. In my original I had a rit in the penultimate bar, making the length very long indeed, but possibly still correct. Since then, I’ve been too focussed on that tempo marking.

If the rit extended into the fermata, that may exacerbate things.