"sub"barlines, measure numbers (Bach, Ricercar a 6)

Hi all!

I searched the forum, but to no avail, so:

Trying to reproduce this:


So the time signature is no problem (“cut, 4”, then hidden real time signature for the rest | or | changing the time signature to no denominator and changing a glyph), also breve rests for empty bars.

What I’m looking for is a efficient solution for the barlines/measure numbers: of course I could just insert short barlines, but obviously that doubles the measure numbers, which I would have to correct then manually for the whole piece, after finishing layout.
Writing just in 2/2 and changing every other barline seems doable (although tedious), but then I have no proper whole measure rests.

Am I overlooking some sound solution?

I’m not sure about getting the short barline, but this gets you close…

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Yes, I thought about this, but the dashed line is too obstrusive, I find…

Thanks though, I just learned another snippet of knowledge from your answer :grinning:

I would do this by

Add the the whole measure rests as Playing Techniques. And while doing all this work, imagine how much easier it is than if you were to engrave the whole thing by hand and you will feel much better. :smile:

“You can take the man out of Finale…”

I’m not sure you can globally set them to sit in the middle of the bar, can you?

TBH, I think the easiest thing would be to do it as Janus suggests, and then modify the dashed barlines to short ones in the PDF, using a vector editor, like Affinity or Illustrator.

I have tried a few things with local time sigs, but it doesn’t work as soon as you manually change the barlines inbetween.

However, I do have a script that changes the barline, moves two barlines along , and then changes that one. (Producing alternating barline types.)

Scripting, yes - I will do this, and fix the measure numbers by hand, I guess

It might even be possible to script a number change on each bar… I’ll have a look.

ah … I will try also on my side

I guess there’s a FR to be able to choose the intermediate barline type?

I didn’t find one

That’s why I’m making a feature request (FR)

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Notice, too, that the original edition does not split empty bars, as the engraved edition does. That’s a stronger case for the aggregate time signature method where you edit the dashed barlines in the PDF.

Myself, I would omit the centered tick barlines. Column alignment is so much more precise on a computer, they aren’t necessary to reading the rhythms.

Yes, I know - it was just thinking if this would be doable in a structured way in Dorico.

P.S.: I might find other places, where something like this could be useful - I’m very much in transcriptions of high medieval music (ars subtilior and the like). Although I prefer to play these from the originals, I have to transcribe sometimes for others.

ah, ok - I didn’t check what you meant with “FR” - now I know

how did you script the jumping to the after next barline?
(I would just be interested in this part of lua)

never mind, solved it

app:doCommand([[EventEdit.NavigateNextBarline]])

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If there is still a whole bar rest problem, I counted 113 whole bar rests to add as Playing Techniques. Not too bad. Now editing bar lines in a PDF. That’s where I draw the line (or rather, don’t draw the line.)

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There are ways to select similar items that should make it quick!