I’ve got a Dorico project with a system track above the wrong system. I have no idea what would cause this. I’ve attached a screen capture and the project itself.
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You’ve made some unnecessary edits to the Staff Spacing which isn’t helping, but I think this is the problem:
It looks like you’ve dragged those Techniques to below the staff, rather than just flipping them below with the letter F.
If I reset the position of those techniques, and flip some of them below the staff, then all is well.
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I needed more space between the systems. Is that really considered unnecessary? That’s a common thing to do in Finale. Is this something that Dorico is not capable of accomplishing?
As for the weirdly placed Technique marks. Yes, I did drag many of them below the staff. Okay, I’ll try resetting and flipping the technique marks.
For a moment I thought the screen capture you posted showed my original document with the the Technique markings semi-vertically. However, that screen capture must have been taken shortly after resetting the Technique marks.
Dorico will normally move things out of the way, to accommodate whatever you add, so you shouldn’t need to manually make additional space in advance. Yes, you can move the staves manually – but I’m questioning whether that’s necessary at this point.
The screenshot is from Galley View, directly after opening your document.
That was very necessary.
Can you explain why you wanted to manually adjust those staves in that way?
Could you not achieve the result using Layout Options > Ideal Gaps?
I don’t know how to find the Galley view yet. However, My version of Dorico is EXACTLY what I posted in the screen shot - in Write mode (Engrave looks the same as well). I’m a bit concerned that the rendering is 100% the same between our two versions of Dorico.
Edit: I can see in one of the parts that the Technique marks are vertically placed. This is the initial placement when first placing the Technique marks. I was in the Score and although adjusted the Technique markings in the Score - it appears I also need to preform the same edit gain in the Part. I wonder if only adding Technique marks in the Part would solve the redundancy.
Because I wanted that spacing. Is that an issue?
Finale and Dorico are just quite different in this regard:
In Finale you define the gaps you want between systems, plonk stuff on the page and then have to ensure that the gaps you’d defined were right for the material, as Finale can’t do it for you.
In Dorico you define the minimum gaps you want between systems (as Ben’s already pointed to, but also in the Minimum Gaps section below the Ideal Gaps). If you then put material on the page that is above or below the staff, Dorico automatically makes room for it. You can move staves around manually, but unless you’re really trying to cram a lot of music on a page it’s typically a time-wasting exercise: Dorico can and will do it better and quicker. But if you tell Dorico that something’s above the stave and then you drag it below the stave, you’re working against Dorico (which has a property for putting the thing below the stave) and so it’ll work against you.
Galley View is the Dorico equivalent of Scroll View. You can find it in the bottom right corner, or Cmd/Ctrl-Alt/Opt-2 (Cmd/Ctrl-Alt/Opt-1 will take you back to Page View). It doesn’t attempt to do any kind of collision avoidance.
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What you want is not at issue. How you achieve it, is.
You should think of Staff Spacing adjustments in Engrave mode as “fine tuning”, rather than wholesale positioning.
If you want a particular spacing for your staves, define that in Layout Options. Dorico will automatically adjust that to fit things that might collide.
You don’t have to do half the work that you used to in Finale – so try to do less!
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Yeah, I should have done this first. I was just quickly documenting something while learning Dorico. Finale does not automatically adjust the system spacings. Old work flows and such.