Technique (pizzicato) not sticking

I have two violin parts that divide. For some reason, during a pizzicato section one of them switches to arco. Nothing I have done seems to affect it. The voices are correct, no MIDI instructions. Worse if I select only one set of violins (still two staves) the error doesn’t occur–but it does if other instruments are played back with it.

Brian Monroe
5.02, Windows 10, 8 core AMD,

Try deleting the pizz on that part and then re-applying it, making sure you attach it only to one note.

(Attaching it to more than one note, even by accident) makes the Articulation “directional,” which means it cuts off when reaching the end of its “selection” rather than waiting for an arco.)

Deleting and restoring has no effect.

As @Derrek says, the problem will be that the pizz. instruction has a duration: try selecting it and typing Shift+Alt+left arrow repeatedly.

So far repeated instructions (which is I’m assuming what I would be doing i.e. pasting/copying pizz markings) are ignored. When I have divisi a3 - voice 1 and 2 play the pizz but 3 doesn’t. If I then go to divis a2 - 2 plays the note as arco. Very strange. I will try again.

I got it to work by disabling the “independent voice playback” option - which gets annoying because I have several sections where the voices use different techniques at the same time. I will still try the other option to see if that works.

I see what the alt shift does - I’m definitely going to try that again. What fooled me was that the score has been revised several times and originally it automatically put in the “directional” rather than “durational” line (extending the span so to speak). However, it is not consistent in the document - thus I will go back through and clean those up and see if I can get everything to work normally. I will let you know.

Unfortunately, adjusting the selection (using shift alt right arrow) does not always work - sometimes it does but not consistently. The only sure solution is to turn off the independent voices - and then go back and adjust the section fields.

This is a long time issue. What you need to do is after creating the divisi, go into the mixer and enable IVP.

Also, how are your ‘div’ markings created? This is an issue with (IMO) how Dorico’s default playing techniques are setup. Newly created playing techniques have the playback set to “Natural”. This KILLS THE PIZZ. On strings “nat” means arco.

So what you need to do is create a new effect (I call mine “nothing”) which as opposed to “Natural” is a true no-op that doesn’t set any CCs, etc.
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Could you elaborate a little bit more on how you apply this new technique in this context specifically? And what do you do with the original “Natural”?

I have an issue where Dorico 5 (not any earlier version) is sounding voices in IVP that are not supposed to be playing at all, resulting in a “Natural” playing on top of, say, “spiccato” and it’s just insane.

I use note performer 4.x (although Halion is doing the same thing). I always enable the independent voice when setting up the score. Then the divisi sections are created using the “change divisi” option.

For right now, I have the independent voice switched off from the start. That seems to help - but not always. Part of the problem is that many of my scores were created in prior versions of Dorico and I think some legacy code might be caught in the conversion process - (since it happens automatically when you open an older version file in a new version). That might explain the inconsistency on the pizz selection (only one note is selected by default as opposed to the passage) but no matter. Still have to work on it. - I will try the solution you proposed and see how that works.

Added later: The “nat” designation never appears on the staff - but I’m still going to try your solution.

Interesting results.
First attempt: turned off independent voice used new technique suggestion. No problems at all.

Second attempt: turn on independent voice and used new technique suggestion. This was a disaster - once again inconsistent response. It might have to do with what happens when you change divisi - the voices change on both lines - perhaps that has something to do with it?

At any rate it looks like we’ll have to do without independent voice - although if I were to completely write a new file it probably would work fine. At any rate this is an acceptable solution for now. Thank you for your suggestions.