Text Underline Too Close to Text

Hi all. Long-time Sibelius user here - new to Dorico.

Something relatively minute here, but annoying, nonetheless. I use text-underline in the titles for all my jazz lead sheets. I am noticing that the underline in Dorico is much too close to the text as compared to Sibelius. Is there a way to adjust this?


There isn’t currently. I doubt the team will want to add controls for underline styles, but you never know. Presumably that is possible in Qt, since Sibelius uses the same platform.

Underlining and all caps are habits/styles from typewriter technology. It looks both unsightly and unnecessary to me. Even in the Sibelius version you’re used to, the overly thick line obscures the tail of the y. That it’s the title is completely obvious by the type size and the position. You probably have a large collection of lead sheets you’re trying to match the style of, but I strongly recommend abandoning the underline.

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Thanks for your insight. The underlined title is a kind of traditional aesthetic I prefer for my jazz charts. If you’ve ever thumbed through a Jazz Real Book, you’ll know what I mean. I don’t use it for everything.

That said, I did find a workaround. I just created a new line I can now use that actually works even better than the text-underline character style.

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Welcome to the forum, Adam. What font is that you’re using? Dorico in theory will show the underline at precisely the vertical position defined by the font itself.

Trebuchet MS

Thanks for the welcome.

I’ve just tried using Trebuchet MS in Dorico and TextEdit here on my Mac, and I find that the underline position matches between the two applications:

(That’s TextEdit on the left and Dorico on the right, in case it’s not clear.)

I’m not sure where the version of Trebuchet MS I have on my Mac comes from, but I guess it might have been installed as part of MS Office, or perhaps it’s a built-in font on macOS?

Examining the font in Font Book, it shows as being version 5.00x. Does that match the version you have?

They’re different… In Dorico, the underline is a tiny bit farther from the text, and maybe also slightly thinner.

Mine shows up as version 5.15.

However, I tried a little experiment. Below is a screenshot with Dorico on the left and MS Word on the right. All fonts are set to 22.0pt / Bold / Underline in both apps. This is on Windows 23H2.

I tried this on my PC laptop as well and had the same results.

So it looks like it’s down to the font rendering by Qt in Windows.

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The underline is different from macOS to Windows with the same font, I don’t know why, maybe a question of Qt framework rendering :thinking:

And here’s Photoshop:

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It’s becoming apparent that each application handles underline differently. Perhaps this is a Windows problem?