Hello,
I would like to add a slur after tied notes, like in this example.
How should I proceed?
B.t.w. I do not want the slur to start at the beginning of the bar, only after the second tied note.
Should I fake it with two slurs? Or is there another way to do this?
Iām afraid Dorico doesnāt currently allow this unless you fake it up, e.g. by putting the 8th notes in a different voice than the half note, and tieing the half to the first eighth using T. Dorico will only allow a slur to start at the start of a note, and unless those notes are in different voices, that eighth note is not a new note, but rather the end of the half note at the start of the bar.
If you have the choice not to reproduce that notation, then I would recommend you do what Dorico does by default, since itās really not meaningful (at least in any musical context I can imagine) to show the slur starting halfway through that note rather than at the start of the note.
thanks Daniel,
I am actually trying to reproduce the original notation as far as possible. If you have a look at Mozarts manuscript, he notates as above:
I got a similar problem the other way around. If I have a slur that connects to a note with a tie, the slur surrounds the tied note.
Iād prefer it to ātouchā the first note.
Is there an option for that? Couldnāt find one in Slurs or Tie Engrave-Options
There isnāt an option for it yet, but there will be in due course.
I discovered a workaround:
1st) input the desired slur.
2nd) input the tie (afterwards)
This works in the current version 1.0.10
Thanks k_b for this tip. Works like a charm.
Whether it is approved or not by present-day style gurus, the notation is used often in classical music. I can readily quote examples from Beethoven to Mahler and in between. Not recognising this would be like insisting that all horns must be notated in F, and timpani must always be notated at pitch (vide Mozart and Handel)! 
David
It also āfeelsā different to play, with more of a mental accent on the second of the tied notes before moving on.
Even in contemporary music it is sometimes worth writing like this to be consistent with other parts that are not tied.
I really love the natural way that Dorico does it now: it is so wonderful to not have to be precise, to know that the program will go to the very end of the note. But I also, from time to time, want to have the slur go not to the end of the entire note, but to some other point before. I donāt mind the workaround already given by k_b, Iāve used it. My only wish is that the current behavior doesnāt change in any way that would be more tedious. Having worked with other programs that donāt have this behavior, I was delighted by Doricoās solution. Hope we end up with something that makes us all happy!
I agree with both David and Steveās assessments.
The historical significance of this phenomenon is briefly discussed here, with some very interesting insight in the context of piano music from John Ruggero.
the workaround does not work any moreā¦
Hello k_b,
No workaround is needed now if you have the latest version of Dorico installed, this has the option to set slurs with ties as you want.
Go to: āEngrave Mode ā Engrave ā Engraving Options ā Slurs ā Tied Notesā then select: āStart from last note in tie chain.ā
Best wishes,
Michael
thank you very much!!
Here is an example of a MusicXML import mess related to this āsmartā feature of Dorico, which I wish there were a simple way of bypassing?:
Creating this notation in Musescore and exporting as MusicXML:
Click to view MusicXML data exported from
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE score-partwise PUBLIC "-//Recordare//DTD MusicXML 3.1 Partwise//EN" "http://www.musicxml.org/dtds/partwise.dtd">
<score-partwise version="3.1">
<work>
<work-title>Title</work-title>
</work>
<identification>
<creator type="composer">Composer</creator>
<encoding>
<software>MuseScore 3.6.0</software>
<encoding-date>2022-05-22</encoding-date>
<supports element="accidental" type="yes"/>
<supports element="beam" type="yes"/>
<supports element="print" attribute="new-page" type="no"/>
<supports element="print" attribute="new-system" type="no"/>
<supports element="stem" type="yes"/>
</encoding>
</identification>
<defaults>
<scaling>
<millimeters>6.99911</millimeters>
<tenths>40</tenths>
</scaling>
<page-layout>
<page-height>1696.94</page-height>
<page-width>1200.48</page-width>
<page-margins type="even">
<left-margin>85.7252</left-margin>
<right-margin>85.7252</right-margin>
<top-margin>85.7252</top-margin>
<bottom-margin>85.7252</bottom-margin>
</page-margins>
<page-margins type="odd">
<left-margin>85.7252</left-margin>
<right-margin>85.7252</right-margin>
<top-margin>85.7252</top-margin>
<bottom-margin>85.7252</bottom-margin>
</page-margins>
</page-layout>
<word-font font-family="Edwin" font-size="10"/>
<lyric-font font-family="Edwin" font-size="10"/>
</defaults>
<credit page="1">
<credit-type>title</credit-type>
<credit-words default-x="600.242" default-y="1611.21" justify="center" valign="top" font-size="22">Title</credit-words>
</credit>
<credit page="1">
<credit-type>composer</credit-type>
<credit-words default-x="1114.76" default-y="1511.21" justify="right" valign="bottom">Composer</credit-words>
</credit>
<part-list>
<score-part id="P1">
<part-name>Piano</part-name>
<part-abbreviation>Pno.</part-abbreviation>
<score-instrument id="P1-I1">
<instrument-name>Piano</instrument-name>
</score-instrument>
<midi-device id="P1-I1" port="1"></midi-device>
<midi-instrument id="P1-I1">
<midi-channel>1</midi-channel>
<midi-program>1</midi-program>
<volume>78.7402</volume>
<pan>0</pan>
</midi-instrument>
</score-part>
</part-list>
<part id="P1">
<measure number="1" width="332.44">
<print>
<system-layout>
<system-margins>
<left-margin>50.00</left-margin>
<right-margin>0.00</right-margin>
</system-margins>
<top-system-distance>170.00</top-system-distance>
</system-layout>
</print>
<attributes>
<divisions>2</divisions>
<key>
<fifths>0</fifths>
</key>
<time>
<beats>4</beats>
<beat-type>4</beat-type>
</time>
<clef>
<sign>G</sign>
<line>2</line>
</clef>
</attributes>
<note>
<rest/>
<duration>4</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>half</type>
</note>
<note default-x="205.68" default-y="-10.00">
<pitch>
<step>D</step>
<octave>5</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>4</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>half</type>
<stem>down</stem>
<notations>
<slur type="start" placement="above" number="1"/>
</notations>
</note>
</measure>
<measure number="2" width="264.72">
<note default-x="13.00" default-y="-20.00">
<pitch>
<step>B</step>
<octave>4</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>4</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>half</type>
<stem>down</stem>
</note>
<note default-x="137.96" default-y="-5.00">
<pitch>
<step>E</step>
<octave>5</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>4</duration>
<tie type="start"/>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>half</type>
<stem>down</stem>
<notations>
<tied type="start"/>
<slur type="stop" number="1"/>
</notations>
</note>
</measure>
<measure number="3" width="381.55">
<note default-x="13.00" default-y="-5.00">
<pitch>
<step>E</step>
<octave>5</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<tie type="stop"/>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>down</stem>
<beam number="1">begin</beam>
<notations>
<tied type="stop"/>
<slur type="start" placement="above" number="1"/>
</notations>
</note>
<note default-x="57.74" default-y="-10.00">
<pitch>
<step>D</step>
<octave>5</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>down</stem>
<beam number="1">continue</beam>
</note>
<note default-x="102.47" default-y="-15.00">
<pitch>
<step>C</step>
<octave>5</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>down</stem>
<beam number="1">continue</beam>
</note>
<note default-x="147.21" default-y="-20.00">
<pitch>
<step>B</step>
<octave>4</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>down</stem>
<beam number="1">end</beam>
</note>
<note default-x="191.95" default-y="-15.00">
<pitch>
<step>C</step>
<octave>5</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>up</stem>
<beam number="1">begin</beam>
</note>
<note default-x="236.68" default-y="-20.00">
<pitch>
<step>B</step>
<octave>4</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>up</stem>
<beam number="1">continue</beam>
</note>
<note default-x="281.42" default-y="-25.00">
<pitch>
<step>A</step>
<octave>4</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>up</stem>
<beam number="1">continue</beam>
</note>
<note default-x="326.16" default-y="-30.00">
<pitch>
<step>G</step>
<octave>4</octave>
</pitch>
<duration>1</duration>
<voice>1</voice>
<type>eighth</type>
<stem>up</stem>
<beam number="1">end</beam>
<notations>
<slur type="stop" number="1"/>
</notations>
</note>
<barline location="right">
<bar-style>light-heavy</bar-style>
</barline>
</measure>
</part>
</score-partwise>
[New users can only post one media per post, so here is the Dorico import image for the previous post]
Here is the result when loading the MusicXML into Dorico, where the slurs go crazy, probably due to the issue discussed on this page:
(Using Dorico Pro 4)
Dorico has had the capability to set the start and end point of slurs on tied notes for some time. (This is a very old thread.)
See the properties panel when you select a slur:
Iāve no idea whether the XML actually contains sufficient data about the slurs position for Dorico to apply the correct settings, or not.
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And to add to what Ben said: not only can you control this at a local level, but you should also check out the engraving options for slurs, because odds are, your project will have multiple similar cases.
Also, as a word to the wise, is is always prudent when you import an xml file to select all and āreset appearanceā as well as āreset positionā so that way dorico can ignore any settings that may have been embedded in the xml file. Itās possible dorico wants to do it the way you desire already but feels it has to respect some setting in the file. Sometimes āreset appearanceā can result in pretty drastic changes once Dorico applies its own defaults.
No matter whether you use the properties panel or engraving options to keep the slurs from overlapping, Dorico will incorrectly play back your example as if the second slur is not there. To obtain correct playback, you would currently need a single slur over your entire example.
Thanks for all of the tips. Playback will not be as important as the visual aspect, so that is not a problem for me. I have figured out how to change the tied note attachment style for all slurs after loading the MusicXML file all at once:
(1) Type control/ā-A to select all music.
(2) Go to EditāFilterāSlurs to select only all slurs
(3) Go to the properties panel and set the two options:
