I want to write
but I get
Which setting controls this?
TIA.
What you’re getting is much clearer than what you want😉
In this instance, just use force duration(o) on the G and enter it as semiquavers and a tie (t): g o t g
If this pattern occurs many times, it’s quicker to copy/paste the phrase and then use lock duration(L) to overwrite the notes.
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The piece seems to be written (in parts) in a style that is not a ‘preset’ in Dorico.
The same piece;
becomes in Dorico
This can however be changed by
But it is not the ‘default’ setting.
The piece seems to be inconsistent in the use of tied notes vs. single duration.
If the style you need is inconsistent, then at some point you will always have to use force duration whatever options you select. It’s well worth getting used to how it works (and how simple it is).
I’m having the opposite problem. I am getting tied 16th’s like in the first bar but I have to lock duration to get what I want in the second bar. I’ve tried all the note grouping options to no avail. Any ideas?
Would you be able to attach a project with those couple of bars for me/someone to have a look at?
I don’t have a solution besides forced duration, but a future feature request would be a syntax like 12/8[4.x4] or 12/8[3+2+1+4+2+3+2+1+3+2+1/16] to handle any format. It might not follow (Gould’s) standards, but could make input easier for some music.
Hi @hammerman, using a [6+6]/8 time signature (possibly as local time signature for the bar/s and staves that need this particular note grouping), Dorico will write your rhythms as in your second bar, without needing Force Duration. (You just need to split some beams manually, afterwards).
You can decide what works best for you (this method, or using force duration) depending on context:
Dorico file example
time signature vs note grouping.dorico (1.3 MB)
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It is an interesting solution. However, I would like to see a more ‘stable’ approach for note grouping than ‘local, per-note based, overrides’ that is difficult to handle when receiving scores for publication. Currently, it is not possible to find the various overrides (hopefully in an D6-update) so it is tedious work to localise overrides and proof scores. That said, an improved beaming function would not guarantee a “rock solid” score if the correct methods aren’t used in the first place, but an extended sign post and proofing function would help.
Inspired by @Christian_R, [6+6+6+6]/16 works here, without FD or split beam:
Of course it shows 24/16, but it can be hidden from the second bar.
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Although there being workarounds, I have to express my humble opinion here that they are exactly that: workarounds. Dorico’s settings and properties, while super powerful in a vast multitude of other aspects, are still insufficient in enabling some rather basic beaming/grouping/tieing conventions without resorting to local overrides like force duration and said workarounds, especially when it comes to handling the 16th note level and beyond.
(I am, however, convinced that the team do have this on their huge backlog and we will see this one day. Following my impression of their general approach, I expect it to go “Boom, that’s super powerful and perfect and allows virtually everything” once they do tackle the matter.)
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Excellent. I think there should be some function that could display one thing and calculate with another, but as @klavierpunk writes, that is probably on a backlog, and we will see improvements in the future. There is a lot of inspiration that could be taken from Amadeus time signature and ba command. This sample would have been entered as 12/8 ba4.
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions. One early thing I tried was selecting the first tied 16th and hitting Force Duration and the wonky thing that happened was it fixed the ones further down the bar. Weird. But yeah, I need to untie the first 16th, hit Force Duration and then turn it into a 8th. I tried changing the time signature with [6+6} and it is a cool hack.
syncopated example.dorico (1.3 MB)
Perfect!
In another song of mine, I’m having a similar issue. This one is in 6/4 and it’s tricky with multiple voices playing syncopated bass, comping and melody at the same time for piano. I am able to fix the tied 8ths with [6+6]/8 for the time sig but now I have all of these 8th rests so I think in this case I need to use Force Duration throughout. Unless there is another way.
Here’s the original:
and here’s the fixed version: (I would hide the time sig)
It’s easy to turn 8th rests into quarter rests: click on the first 8th rest, type O, then 6. Then, with that quarter rest selected, you can option-click another 8th rest to copy the forced duration.
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Would this one not be easier with independent time signatures (6/4 in the upper and 12/8 in the lower)?
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