Ties in 2nd endings

Thanks, @judddanby .
Love this forum! Love the wisdom and knowledge here!

I know. That is why I started with an apology. I know I am being harsh. BUT, having to edit tons of music the past 2 months on Dorico 5 (yep! had to leave Finale behind or I would never make the change) workarounds and cutting corners have become second nature. When you have to spend more than 30 minutes on a single layout issue… multiple times… it is time consuming (and as the wise would say: time is money).
Again sincere apologies for the harshness, but, for a PRO version of a paid app, it is lacking a lot.

What else do you find lacking? There may be ways (or, there may not).

Dorico is currently v5, trying to encompass notation developments with a small dedicated Steinberg team, from Medieval (800?) to now, spanning hundreds of years. In time will be v6 (as soon as it comes out, there will be praise along with complaints about what is missing), then there will probably be several v6 free updates (again, praise and complaints), then v7.

For many, Dorico is the best available at the moment; others prefer different notation software or work among them, depending on the output required.

We try to be patient because there is little we can do about how it all works (life: in general, notation software: in general) but understandably, we are frustrated because we want fixes and improvements NOW.

[Aside] The “Pro” in Dorico Pro could just mean the Steinberg naming sequence, SE, Elements, Pro (similar to Cubase naming of LE, Elements, Artist, Pro) since there are probably no Element musicians as such?

In fairness, you never had to use work-arounds in Finale? I enjoyed using Finale for more than thirty years, but work-arounds were a fact of life there.

Yes. And they were customizable on many levels. Editing avant-garde new music, which involves sometimes creating on screen new notation systems is challenging but doable in Finale.
I don’t want to compare though. That would be unfair.
In Dorico there are a lot of common practice standard notation situations for which finding solutions are very difficult.

In all fairness, I am more than happy working in Dorico (Finally!!! I delayed that for years!)
I want to see Dorico thrive for many reasons (including 3 hard drives full of music, many of them with complicated drum set parts to say the least…)
Editing music (sided with arranging and composing) is part of my life, part of my day.
Long live Dorico (because moving my music library to yet another notation app will just make me go back to pen and paper :slight_smile: )

I use StaffPad, I miss pen and paper, but it’s sometimes still tempting for small projects then spend a few days inputting. I still have pads of paper, fountain pens, Blackwing pencils I use most days for various tasks.

Best wishes with your music!

I’m using Dorico 6 Pro and was going to create the Macro suggested above. When I looked at the Tie section for the Offsets, they aren’t there.

If this issue (tie into 2nd Ending) has a resolution, I’d sure appreciate knowing what it is.

Unfortunately, we still need workarounds for this, like you can read above. Let’s hope the development team finds the time to solve this issue.

Take a look at these two posts:

2nd tie endings worked in Finale - including correct MIDI export. I’ve used Finale since 2015.

As for Dorico’s 2nd Tie endings I’m able to use the common workarounds in Dorico without too much fuss. Yeah, it’s a little bit of a pain - but I have created a small collection of help documents that usually get me through.

And to be clear some of the workflows in Finale included extremely non-obvious, cryptic, workarounds that I’ll never miss.

According to my sources, much earlier (around 2018). The control is located directly on the numeric keypad and is extremely easy to use.

In the other hand, It’s one thing that Dorico is a relatively new programme, but when you design software nowadays, you’re not supposed to be starting from the same point as a programme designed in 2000. Otherwise, nothing would really be possible in computing…

That said, there are plenty of things I do like in Dorico, and many others that still have room for improvement; admitting this is a sensible approach.

Ok, I stand corrected. This has been solved in Sibelius 2020.1

So the fix came 26 years after the creation of the software (you get my point). Dorico is going to be 10 years old, and I would be very happy to see this feature (which, like you, I do miss very much).

That is the very essence of all software. One programme will perform better than another for a particular point, and vice versa. That is why I think it’s rather silly to try to do everything with a single software, convincing oneself that it is the best.
Depending on the work you need to do, you should choose the one that is best tool. Just as a carpenter wouldn’t do everything with a single wood chisel.

As long as there is a (visual) fix I’m happy for now. I cannot speak of any playback needs as I only use Dorico for (static) engraving (and some very basic playback).

Btw, Amadeus had “leading ties” (e.g. in 2nd endings) from the start in the late 80ies, you simply typed ?~, but that was purely an engraving system. I’m sure there are more intricate design problems when playback, condensing etc. is required.