Title Page Frustration

I have been stuck for days trying to create a title page.

  • Once I create a title page, if it is messed up, I don’t see how to delete it and try again: I just have to close the file without saving and start over.
  • When I load a graphic in a graphic frame, it is always too small. If I go back into Paint and resize it, the next time I start over and insert the graphic, it is still the small size as before in Dorico.
  • I see no way to stretch or fit graphics.
  • I know people use text borders and separators, but I don’t understand how they are doing it.

I spent money on text borders and separators and I can’t use them: they are always too small when I insert them. (They are huge in other programs like Word and PowerPoint.

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This separator is 2,100 pixels wide, but look how small it is on the page.

OK, this is ridiculous. I made a top and bottom border exactly the same number of pixels wide. When I insert the top and bottom images, the top one is smaller. I really cannot understand why it is so hard to paste an image in the title page.

OK, it’s got to do with those padlock symbols; but I was able to get one (top) image in at the right size by turning on the locks off. Then when I tried to add the second (bottom) separator, I couldn’t turn all the locks off: I’d turn off two and then when I tried to turn off a third lock, one or two of the others came back on. It was like Whack-a-Mole.

  1. Deleting a title page to start again: how are you creating your title page, by inserting a page directly into a layout, or creating a custom page template and editing that? If the former, remove the page override. If the latter, you can delete the page template.

  2. Graphics inside graphics frames don’t stretch. Their height and width depend on the height/width of the frame. If your frames are both the same width and height, then the same image loaded into them should be the same size. If one frame is taller, the image can likewise be bigger.

  3. As above

  4. You can add a plain border to text frames.

  5. Information about frame constraints (the padlocks) is here

You’re very kind to help. Thank you.

I am going into Engrave mode and just adding pages to the front of the score. No templates involved. I do not see how to delete the pages if I don’t like them.

I click the icon to add a graphic image and I make the frame the full width of the page (margin to margin). (An 8.5x11 page should be 2,550 pixels.) Whether I insert an image that is 1,000 pixels wide or 2,000 pixels wide, it appears as the same size on the title page. I do not understand this. I use an image editing program to size the graphics, but it doesn’t seem to affect the size when I add them to the page.

Follow the link in my previous reply to find out how to remove page overrides, which reverts pages to following the default First/Default page templates. It can take a little bit of getting your head around until you’re comfortable with how this all works! But you’ll get it I’m sure.

It’s not the width alone that determines the size of the image displayed on the page: it’s also the height of the frame, because Dorico has to fit the whole image inside the frame, and it won’t stretch or scale the image. So the displayed image can only be as tall as the frame, and as wide as the frame.

I’m very sorry for being stupid, but I am not trying to delete a template–just a page. I just create a page and then want to delete it and can’t.

I guess I am just going to create plain text with generic borders. I will have to come back to this another time because I am getting frustrated.

Thank you for your patience.

I understand that, and I’m giving you as clear a pointer as I can to the correct method to do exactly that: please click this link, read the instructions, and replicate those steps in your project :slight_smile: you’ll end up with the page removed.

Removing overrides from empty pages deletes them from the layout.

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I am going to re-read all your very helpful information with a fresh mind tomorrow. Somehow I’m not clicking today. But thank you!

For now, I created a title with borders in Word and screen-snipped it so I could paste it as an image in Dorico.
I apologize for all the trouble. I’m not sure why I am being so slow on this topic. :slight_smile:

If you want me to take a look at the project itself to give more precise feedback, either post it here (with or without the music) or you can message me privately and send it that way. I’m travelling over the next day and a bit though, so might not be able to look at it straight away.

I think what the issue is here, is that even after reading the relevant help pages about four times (after 2 cups of coffee even…), the meaning of “locked” and “unlocked” feels completely upside down to me. Granted, I’m not a native speaker, but this:

unlock the bottom constraint to give the frame a fixed height.

in all honesty does not make immediate sense to me at least…

Sincerely, Benji

Yes, it’s a bit “weird”. At first you would think that a locked frame might have the same size. But it means that the frame border is locked to the margins. And to be fair, if you hover over the locks, the text is “lock to … margin”.

The good thing to handle it like this is, that you can easily change page margins page sizes without getting a mess.

It makes perfect sense when you use the same template with another size of page — and it’s a brilliant idea. The sides where the frames are locked to keep the exact same sizes defined in the properties.

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Perhaps if the icons were push-pins (not suggesting this) and the tool-tip said “pin to bottom” or “pin right,” some folks would understand more quickly. I find the height property a very helpful way to make fields match.

Your comment is very interesting. One problem for me was trying to get text boxes with borders at the same vertical position on two pages. (Yes, I’m OCD. That’s why I’m getting so frustrated.)

In some applications (like PowerPoint), you can right-click an object to see or change its vertical or horizontal position. Are you saying we can do that in Dorico pages?


You can see the distances to the margins and/or fixed width/height in the properties panel, depending on the “locks” you apply.

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Excellent, thanks. Ibdid not see the top measurement you show, so I must have had the wrong thing selected or highlighted.

If your frame isn’t locked to the top margin it’ll be greyed out. That’s the (first) confusing but beautiful part of this system.

OK. I’m closing in on this, but one thing: how do I make two graphic objects the same size? I can drag the handles, but it is not precise and I do not see the measurements anywhere. Thanks.