'Toggle' mode CCs can't be used to control Mute/Solo buttons

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#1

1. Summary/Title
While the current MIDI learn implementation is very nicely implemented, it is not yet possible to use ‘toggle’ style CC switches to control solo/mute buttons.

2. Description
Enter MIDI mapping mode, select a mute button. Press a MIDI CC (which is in toggle mode). The Cubasis toggle won’t respond correctly – the toggle needs to be pressed twice to mute or unmute.

3. Expected Results
I’d expect there to be an option when mapping on/off functions to switch between ‘toggle’ and ‘momentary’ behaviour.

4. Actual Results
It does not seem possible to change the behaviour from momentary to toggle. Only momentary is possible.

5. Environment
iOS 14.8
Cubasis 3.3.1

Additional
A further behaviour change i’d suggest is a ‘stop at 0db’ option for MIDI mapping faders. It would be nice to get more fine resolution out of the available throw (so a cc of 127 would be 0db or maybe 3db). I would never really push a fader up to +12, or even +6 db as I’d have gain staged the volume into a 0db ‘normal’ in the processing.

#2

Hi @Oscar_South,

Thanks for your message.

It should be easily possible to toggle the M/S buttons via MIDI Learn/Mackie support.
Please provide us with a short clip that visualizes the problem.

Best,
Lars

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#4

I’ve checked again and I can’t find any apparent way to map a switched parameter (such as a mute) CC to a toggle CC control. Example:

#5

Hi @Oscar_South,

Thanks for the clip example which I’ve shared with the team.
Please await our feedback.

Thanks
Lars

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#6

Hi @Oscar_South again,

Are you able to change your controller to send notes instead CC values, or that it sends CC 0 when releasing the key?

Hope this will work…

Best,
Lars

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#7

@LSlowak I can confirm that this controller sends values of zero on that CC:

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Not possible to map notes to CC controls from this Akai controller.

#8

Hi @Oscar_South,

It would be required that CC 0 is sent when releasing the key (not when pressing it again).
I’m afraid there is no other option if this can’t be changed via the controller.

Best,
Lars

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#9

This is possible of course, but that doesn’t solve the problem — that’s just a normal momentary controller and the backlight state of the controller wouldn’t be in synch with the software mixer.

CC switches should be able to react to both momentary and toggle controls. Simplest solution I can think of would just be to have one of these boxes that sets the parameter to react to either momentary or toggle style CC info:

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Thanks for your continued engagement and discussion on the topic.

#10

Hopeful bump because this would make life so much better in its own small way, and Cubasis 3 sessions much more fluid!