I cannot figure out why the tremolos in my project increase as they go over ties:
It goes from 3 tremolos (which I want) to 4 on the tied note of the next bar
That’s because 3 tremolos on a quaver is equal to four on a crotchet (or greater).
(3 trems on a quaver is unusual. Do you really need it?)
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What is displayed is rhytmically correct, but if you want 3 strokes on both notes, select them and press U, T.
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1 tremolo dash equals 1 note flag or beam. If you want a 16th measured tremolo on a half note you put two dashes (just as sixteenth notes have two beams). If you want a 16th tremolo on eight notes they have already one beam, so you need to add one dash to make it two in total.
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@MassMover is 100% correct. Adding tremolos are technically a shorthand way of notating rhythms.
Adding a 3 stroke tremolo to an 8th note, is shorthand for 64th notes, which then is tied to a half note therefore needing 4 slashes to continue the 64th note shorthand.
You can untie the note and use a slur instead. Using the slur you can have 3 note tremolos on both note values.
Robby
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Let me add that in an unmeasured tremolo context, it happens that composers/publishers use this notation. Don’t have time to investigate a lot, but I just came across this in Samuel Adler’s Study of orchestration:
I’m quite sure that one can find many examples in published scores.
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In case of a tremolo it doesn’t matter, but in case of 8th/16th repetitions the notation becomes ambiguous. Therefore I would prefer always the notation to consider flags.
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So there is no current option for unmeasured tremolo as opposed to measured? (minus a manual input in the properties panel or a slur solution)?
I don’t think so, but meanwhile you can do this:
You can select as many tied chains as you wish and apply this to all of them in one shot.
And if you have more rhythms like that to input, you can enter them without the tie, apply the tremolos, and then add the tie afterwards:
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Hi @cmkeelan,
if you mean for playback, yes there are Options, that you can define from Playback options > Timing > Tremolos:
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Pretty much anything the equivalent of three slashes or above suggests an unmeasured tremolo.
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Not necessarily. Imagine a movement in 4/8 Adagio molto. In such a slow tempo three slashes can mean 32th notes. I remember some – pretty rare – places and in all those places the composer(s) wrote trem. if tremolo was supposed to be performed.
That’s why I said “pretty much.” Nothing is the case 100% of the time in music or just about any other art.
No the playback isn’t important to me. For media music and theatre, the norm is three slashes for unmeasured tremolo and it should not increase as the note value gets higher (as it is shown in the Adler example). So this is yet another manual override within Dorico that cannot be expressed as a universal preference?