Tutorial videos for iPad?

Dorico iPad was recommended as an excellent alternative to MuseScore which can only live on my MAC. But as I try to figure it out, it seems all the good video tutorials are for the desktop SE version and there’s enough significant differences to make the initial exploration of Dorico, well, frustrating.

Simple examples include the absence of the ‘?’ Help icon in the top right. Or the difference between how to re-order staves in the Setup menu. Unexpected behaviours like the Mode button top left indicates things like Setup or Write mode, once you understand that, instead of being labelled with what the button does, change the operating mode, it simply indicates the current mode (an ellipse or > would suggest exploration) things start to make a little sense. The concept that the Pallet-Keyboard panels (zones) contain mutually exclusive operations as opposed to being different paths to the same end, that took me a day or so to realize, I could start to finding the controls.

As a new user it shouldn’t take days to figure out how to create a (nonsense) piano-vocal score with chords and lyrics that looks presentable. And a couple basic navigation videos would be a big help.

At least that’s my opinion.

Dougy, welcome to the forum.
If you open a new project in Dorico on iPad, you will be presented with the “hub” window. One of the tabs is called “Learn”, where you’ll find tutorials and links to first step videos:

The online help is available here:

You can read it from top to bottom - or make use of the very helpful search field.

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Thanks for the quick response.

As a retired electronics and software engineer the Learn tab was the first place I went looking. And it’s probably great for the desktop versions but as for the iPad version it’s pretty much useless. There’s a “Getting Started With Dorico for iPad” video I found which does a wonderful job of demonstrating and commenting on how the iPad version is “just like” the real desktop version of Dorico — and that’s the problem — the iPad is just sufficiently different that it’s hard to figure out how to get things done with it. And it seems the tutorial presenters are all extremely familiar with the desktop versions but the iPad is just a second class orphan.

And to that point I used ChatGPT to get a sense of the the capabilities of the Dorico versions. The basic conclusion it presented was that for iPad it was pretty useless unless you bought a subscription. And I can understand why. Because there’s no decent internet based resources.

The Dorico Education/Resources page does not contain the word “iPad” anywhere. The huge Quick Start manual, again, doesn’t contain the word iPad.

Apologies if I’m ranting, I don’t mean to be but the cliché answer — look at the help resources — is misguided. As far as I can tell, for iPad, there aren’t any. And that’s a shame.

I just tried k_b’s link above, and it seems like the iPad help is pretty robust. I’ve used the iPad version with and without a typing keyboard, and FWIW I have found it much easier to use with the keyboard. But I have done a few projects just with the iPad itself.

I’d agree that the content itself in the “Quick Start” manual is extensive and well written but consider the absolute novice looking at Dorico iPad for the first time and trying to build the simplest of scores to prove to themselves its a worth diving into this software.

Back in my engineering days, presented with software like this I would have read the 100+ page manual word for word, cover to cover and thought nothing of it. But not as a consumer in today’s market, a casual music hobbyist looking to transcribe a few tunes.

Nominally you’ve got 1 hour to convince me I should invest my time and eventually maybe my cash.

The manual indicates help is accessed by the ‘?’ Help icon — doesn’t exist on iPad.

Or use the CMD-/ key combo, yup that vectors to Dorico — but returns a 404 Error.

Some hunting around finds a link in the hamburger menu, top right — that goes to the manual. (This is going in circles.)

Let’s look for something simple like multi-select, the manual suggests 64 entries and nothing in the first dozen or so seem remotely helpful.

Or how about my current query, how do I make the first bar a short pickup measure. Where do I find that?

After 40 year in electronics and software engineering this stuff shouldn’t be rocket science. Has anyone run a test to see how first time Dorico users get along with the iPad version?

Turns out a search for “pick-up” bars only returned 241 entries, however the first one was useful.

So that’s a win.

You can filter this forum to show iPad related entries, that’s an additional source of information.
Also please keep in mind, the design philosophy behind the iPadOS is that functions should be intuitive. It is true that trying not to be too scientific about it can help to handle the application, too.
To be honest, intuitive can also mean “try and error”…
I personally would read up about how projects are being saved, because that seems to be an issue that can get into your way.

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The iPad-specific manual shouldn’t include reference to this, because as you point out, this button isn’t in the iPad version. If you have a link to the page that incorrectly states this, I’d be happy to check it and correct it if needed.

Forgive my ignorance, but where are you familiar with the term “multi-select” from? It’s not the phrasing that we use in Dorico, hence why searching for “multi-select” brings up results about multi-bar rests, multi-note tremolos, etc.

If this is useful metadata, I can certainly add that to future updates to the manual.


In terms of documentation, all Steinberg products have reference-style manuals: intended to give you the information you need, as you need it. They’re not intended to be read like a book once at the start of your usage.

To make sure you’ve got a link to the iPad-specific manual, here it is.

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Lillie & KB, thanks for taking the time to respond.

First to KB’s points, “the design philosophy behind the iPadOS is that functions should be intuitive” and “To be honest, intuitive can also mean “try and error”…”.

I while heartedly agree. As a designer my focus was imagine how the untrained user will expect it to work and do it that way, and in the world of Windows and graphical interfaces allow multiple routes to the same operation. When I’m asked (especially by my wife) how some software feature works (in an application I’m unfamiliar with) my first thought is, what would the untrained user expect the app to do, and that’s almost always he answer.

Dorico does not seem to behave the way other applications do - especially in the area of user help.

For example I use LumaFusion to edit small videos I share with my fellow piano students, it has a simple “?” Button and all it does is illuminate labels for all the controls, a simple overlay on the screen but those two or three words help me identify what I’m looking for. If I click on an an icon in an Apple app it’ll give me not only the easily recognizable icon for the operation but a few words as to what it does.

Dorico on the other hand has none of that, a long press on on the note insert mode icon presents another list of 4 cryptic icons, how does one discover what these things do when even the name of the control isn’t indicated. The keyboard pop ups are the same, they provide some unlabelled controls and no hint as to how to use it - on some there’s a bust of a person, I haven’t a clue what the name of this control is or what it does, how does one discover this information.

On to Lillie’s comments.

As a new user to the Dorico environment, and approaching it from the iPad perspective my first action was to look at the Learning page. I went through the quaint graphic and text box thing which generated as many questions as it answered. After scanning the page the only 3 potentially useful links or button are in the top right: Forum but I don’t even know enough at this point to ask questions, Manual the one you point to but as I previously mentioned as new user I’m not yet committed to the product or reading the entire manual prior to creating a “Hello world” project, Resources that’s the obvious new user starting point! And that’s where the trouble begins, virtually everything points to the desktop SE version.

As a new user what I’m looking for is a simple 10 to 15 minute, iPad specific video walking me through my “Hello world” project (something I previously described). All the video’s point to the desktop Quick Start Guide.

If it wasn’t for the recommendation of my on-line instructor Bill Hilton, and research I did via ChatGPT I would have given up long ago but Dorico iPad has two key features — it has a unique way of looking at time allowing the music to expand or contract across bar lines that products like MuseScore don’t do, and it runs on an iPad which is my favourite platform.

Lillie, concerning multi-select, rather than a long personal description as Google for the “etimology of the term multi-select”. So this hints at a bigger issue (which my research via ChatGPT eluded to) which is Dorico has its own unique ways of doing things and corporate jargon. This means things don’t operate the way new users expect, they aren’t labeled with terms I expect.

So taking multi-select as an example. Simply defined it is selecting multiple objects in order to perform some common operation like move, copy, or some other change.

In the world of graphical operations, to select a series of notes, this typically mean, touch the first item with the stylus (or finger) to select it, Dorico doesn’t this. To select a contiguous series hold the shift key (I use a Bluetooth keyboard) and select the last item in the list, no Dorico doesn’t do this. How about holding shift-cmd and individually adding notes to the selection, nope, doesn’t work.

What about touching the stylus and dragging to create a box around the desired items, again no. What about a long press (unusual but I’ve seen one example of it) before creating the box around — it kinda works but it creates this weird pulsating square around the stylus. After additional experimentation I figured out the square centred about the stylus point was trying to hint that this was the corner of the box. Why in the world wouldn’t the app simply show the stylus at the corner of a tiny box hinting that you need to drag the stylus to enlarge the box? My initial thought was the app was misbehaving and really didn’t like a long press on the stylus.

Comprehensive reference manuals used to be the norm in the early days of computing (yes, I’m that old) and it’s great to see that Dorico has invested them, but, in these days of self discovery two things are needed: controls that are labelled so the user can type that label into some search bar and up comes the help for that component/control and secondly, a short, well scripted video that walks virgin users through the common steps of creating their first Hello World project.

BTW: The term “Hello, World!” project originates from Brian Kernighan, a computer scientist at Bell Laboratories, who first used it in a 1972 internal memorandum titled A Tutorial Introduction to the Language B.

Thanks for taking the time to read this…novel

Doug

Hi, Lillie!

Just to quickly jump in: It’s actually quite common to refer to select boxes as “multi-selects” when a list of items can hold more but only one selected item.
This normally refers to webbrowsing (at least in my world as web programmer) where you have a

…As for pressing “?” to access help, is that a Windows thing? I just quickly looked at a few iPad Apps and didn’t see it in any of them! Nor was I able to quickly find any help button or menu selection available. At least Dorico has a selection for “Dorico Help” in the top right (3 dashes) menu button — next to last in the menu list.

I agree that maybe sone things could be better, but you would be better served to come to the forum and ask how to do something. You will find many, many helpful people – including Dorico staff – who are here to help new users as well as experienced users looking for a better way to do something. Quite often, too, there are feature requests to offer ways in which the software might be improved.

The iPad version, like other iPad apps, have to hold to constraints imposed by Apple. So there are some differences that are inherent (just as there are differences between Mac and Windows based on the designers’ view of what’s intuitive)—as I’m sure you’re aware. However, there is also a free version for desktop — Dorico SE, and a free trial of the complete software package so that you may give it a thorough run-through.

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It’s also commonly used in Computer Aided Design and other drawing or object related applications although you’re right, it first became popular with lists like files and such.

I’ve seen the “?” thing used when space is tight. LumaFusion video editor uses it, the Affinity Designer and Photo apps both use it but native Apple apps don’t tend to have it because they have sufficient space to label their icons directly.

I agree, the iPad Help document is accessible but for the new user looking at an icon that appears to be a clamp how do you find the icon’s name? (Remember, I’m an iPad only user. I don’t have a background in Dorico desktop versions.)

This forum is great, and I appreciate the comments and if I had a question like how does one create a pickup bar that might be appropriate (I stumbled across how it’s done) but asking for a a list of the control’s names and functions seems a little unreasonable.

And I get that there’s differences and version limitations. Given a running start I can generally drill down to the information I need. And if I was starting with a desktop version it would be a breeze, there’s loads of Dorico videos both short scripted and meandering live streams on the in’s and out of the desktop versions but diddly squat for iPad.

Have you tried the video tutorials for ipad?..

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I get it. Personally, I’m a visual learner, and I struggle with the quantity of information that comes with the manual. What I need is for it (the manual) to read my mind to see what I’m trying to ask (as other outdated notation software used different terms), and filter out all the other stuff, then provide me with a bullet list of the steps I need to take! This of course may not work for someone whose mode of learning is different!

We’re here to help. Please come and ask for help (or search the Dorico-for-iPad part of the forum) before you reach the “frustration factor”! My preference is for using Dorico on the desktop but I do use it on iPad, too. For that, it’s much easier - as mentioned above - with the keyboard. :wink:

— Jim

Hi Janus

Initially the help system pointed me towards an introductory video for desktop SE and that’s where my problems started.

Eventually (a couple days later) I searched and found this one but as a 42 minute live stream with a totally boring intro I gave up on it. I’ll do the 1.5x to 2x speed thing and see if I can get through it now that I’ve stumbled around a bit with the product. (My main gripe — is there nothing the quality of the desktop videos Anthony Hughes produce’s for iPad?)

You hint that there are other iPad videos — any chance you can provide links or pointers where they are found. I scanned the Dorico YouTube site and didn’t find anything useful but maybe it’s these old eyes of mine.

If you view it in Youtube (opposed as embedded in this forum) and expand the description, you see timecodes, which are shortcuts for the different subjects.

Might be of help to quickly navigate to something you would like to see (or skipping where you are not interested in)

Below an image of the first part

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The Intro of the (very helpful) video lasts 2:03 Minutes.
This thread needs a longer attention span :wink:

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